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post #21 of 56 (permalink) Old 01-28-2007, 09:11 AM
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Once I bought Yoda from the breeder she has never called or email me I have sent her pictures not even one answer from her.So I know what she is all about I hate to say it.It sums it all up in one word MONEY Makes me so angery.
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We love to hear from our puppy owners. Our refrigerator is covered with pictures as well as having them stuck every where mostly into the edges of other picture frames. We get more than a hundred Christmas cards with pictures every year. Sometimes Pam pulls out the litter records and calls people we haven't heard from in a while. I can't remember names unless I've known anyone for a while, but Pam remembers all the names, the kids names, and the dogs names. She called someone yesterday who got a puppy 8 years ago and they are doing great. She spends so much time on the phone about Havanese that we got unlimited long distance.

Every puppy we've ever produced is still alive and healthy except for one that was sadly killed in an attack from a Bull Mastiff- which was bravely defended by his owner who also suffered injuries. That family now proudly owns two of our dogs and their neighbors several more.
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Wow~! That is something to be very proud of!

Paws.....and reflect on what life has given you~
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I have lots of mixed feelings on this topic but I'll only address one, okay, maybe two thoughts right now. I agree that the very personable breeder that makes the effort to keep in contact with all of their puppies new families is at least, desirable, but I don't think that just because someone is more quiet or finds it easier to find a good home for the puppy, then let them go unless they need their help, it doesn't necessarily make them a bad breeder. It might just be a personality thing and not related at all to how much they love their puppies and what kind of care they take in their breeding practices. I would hate to see someone branded a bad breeder simply based on a difference in personalities.

I also think it's a very good idea to have a thread on breeders. When I first started looking into the breed I spent lots and lots of time online, researching the breed and trying to research breeders. I live in Nebraska and while there are a couple Havanese breeders, there is only one that I know of that is actively showing. You just don't have the option of joining local clubs, etc, to meet breeders or owners and get more information. I'm glad I took my time and went with the breeder that I did, but looking back, I could have just as easily ended up with a puppy from a less than reputable breeder. At that time, the breeders off of the referral list were all requiring you to pick up the puppy in person. I don't know if this is a policy, or if it was just a coincidence, but it just wasn't feasable at that time. I tried to do things right, but there were lots of ways that I got lucky, and after having horses, I should have known better.

There is so much important information that we need to get out, to help people make good decisions. The easier we can make it for people to get good information, the better it is for Havanese and for good breeders in general. We can't expect everyone to spend months investigating all that is Havanese. We can't expect everyone to drive 500 miles to pick up a puppy. We can't expect people to keep writing and calling the "good" breeders on the list when they're met with hostility, indifference or smugness. And as much as we don't want to admit this is a problem amongst our breeders, it is. The bottom line is that in many situations, it can become so much simpler to pick up that puppy at the pet shop, or the one for sale in the classified ads.

Wow, I'm all over the place on this one! I can sympathize with the people just getting into the breed and I understand how frustrating it can be to try and do the right thing but keep running into road blocks.

We've got great faith in you Melissa and we know you can do it, and do it right! Thanks for your dedication!

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I agree with you on this. My breeder does not contact me, although if I email her and send pics, she responds, but only once. That does not make her a bad breeder. I too did not do a lot of research when I started my "potatoe chip" collection, and was just lucky to have found my breeder. I have had a few health issues with both the girls, of which I notified the breeder. She stated that none of her dogs had that problem was quick to help me with remedies & advise. I think for those of us that have them for just pets and are not showing or breeding, a health guarantee really doesnt mean much, as I would spend anything to get then healthy without "giving them back" - so all in all I think it is a hard choice.
Yes a Health guarantee is good, but I cant see where it is implemented very often.
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I also agree that we shouldn't judge a breeder based on personality or whether they enjoy contact on a regular basis with you once you've bought one of their puppies. I know I complained a bit about this regarding my breeder, but really... when I look at the whole picture, I have absolutely no regrets as I fully trust the breeders we dealt with.

I dont' know how they will react if/when a health issue arises and I need to let them know about it. Fingers crossed that we wont' have to find out! Still, when we spoke on the phone and met in person, we got along very well.

One thing, though, that I will never do, is get a dog/puppy from a pet shop or a backyard breeder. I just can't ... Now that I know what I know, I will either wait for months if I had to to get a puppy or I'd go to my local shelter and get an older dog there. People can do whatever they want, but I know that once I'm aware of something I can't pretend I don't know anymore... then I'd really have some regrets should something happen!

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I did not think you were all over the place on this topic . I think you expressed yourself very well .
I wish I had stated it as well .
It is a complex issue .
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Keeping up with all the puppies that have been produced is not a personality issue. How else will the breeder know for certain whether any health problems come up?

I know several breeders on the recommended list that are very open. I only say several because I don't know them all. There are a few that I know who aren't. Either is not a reason to be on that list. Some on the list are on there simply because they are on the committee and are there to help answer any questions and offer advice. Pam spends at least an hour each day doing just that. I'm pretty sure Kay spends several times that much.

Most I know who don't ship puppies don't because they are worried about the puppies suffering any type of trauma at such a young age. We have never shipped puppies and never will. We encourage all our puppy buyers, and anyone else for that matter, to visit our pack. But everyone can't do that so we do meet people at airports since we don't expect them to rent a car and drive here from the airport, although quite a few do.
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I had a good experience and I love how thorough my breeder was in supplying all the testing info (which I verified) of Oreo's lineage. She even started us on puppy insurance just to get us started. She is quite busy, I can appreciate that, I had the privilege of seeing a couple more of her show dogs and they are quite gorgeous. One that particularly reminded me of my old dog that I had in highschool.
Melissa, I am grateful for this forum it gave me a lot of valuable information that reassured me during the research/interiew process. I have never believed in getting any pet from a pet store and because of sites like this one it constantly reassures that I am right in my resolve. I sincerely hope that those looking for a puppy find sites like this to help them and reassure them along the way.
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Something that everyone needs to remember also, is that some breeder's might be busy in their lives at the time you call or email and can't get back to you right away. While I respond to my buyers right away, other's might not. All of my puppy buyers correspond with me regularly and I LOVE IT! I love seeing pictures. In fact I tell all of my puppy buyers, that 1. They actually are becoming a "member" of our family. 2. They are REQUIRED to send pictures!!!!! <grin> They all do and we all enjoy each other. I am not producing puppies just because, but rather to try and IMPROVE the breed.

I just spent over $500.00 having pre-breeding testing done on two of my bitches. I had another reputable breeder tell me I was NUTS for doing it. I however strongly disagree with her. I do complete blood panels and brucellosis and complete health check before breeding to be sure my bitches are still healthy. That is for my peace of mind, as I don't want to breed them if they are not healthy, plus, I don't want to pass on something to the pups.
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