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BREEDERS Breeders can show the health testing they do, the set up their dogs live in and all important information relating to being a breeder. DO NOT ADVERTISE PUPPIES HERE!

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post #1 of 56 (permalink) Old 01-24-2007, 08:09 PM Thread Starter
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This is a new area on a TRIAL basis. Its either going to be great or get out of hand, but nothing ventured nothing gained.

Here you can list your breeder, and your experience with them. Good or bad. Stick with the facts, no slander or emotional rambling.

Breeders ...feel free to start a thread and say what you do as a breeder. What health testing do you do? What kind of set up do you keep your dogs in? Are they in kennels or do they live in the house? What do you strive for when breeding, such as temperment...conformation, color, whatever it is. Do you show?

Be prepared to BACK UP what you say. We want photos, we want documentation of health testing. List your bloodlines and dogs.

Im hoping people can ask LOTS of questions. It wont be easy to lie to people here, because lots of people, some in the business and some not, will be watching! SO if you are unethical breeder, think twice before participating, bad practices will be discovered.

One very IMPORTANT RULE: DO NOT ADVERTISE PUPPIES. Don't result to a classified ad about a puppy. New litter photos are fine, just do not say they are for sale or available.

This should be a great learning experience. It will also give people who think they want to breed a look into what it takes, its NOT easy, its NOT profitable and it should be Hard Work! Give the facts but try to keep it friendly.

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Melissa, since the information from the breeder is so important to us, is there anyway we can validate the breeder is who or what he says he is. I hope this doesn't sound bad, but sometimes it is easy for people to be something they are not on-line.
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Thats a great question. Im thinking you ask them whats you name, ask for referrals and ask if anyone on here knows them. Every breeder should have referrals you can talk to. And they should post their website.
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That would work for me.
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Sounds good. Just worried about saying a breeder is bad. Is there liability or slander isssues? Maybe you can just use initials and location? I am not sure. I don't have any friends who are lawyers. Do you? Do we have any online?

I would just hate to see someone get involved in a slander suit and some bad breeder try to get money from them. If they are bad breeders to begin with they are just doing things for $ and are always trying to get rich quick.

Maybe it is more like a rating scale. What kind of experience did you have with this breeder? Excellent, Good, Bad. If your experience was bad, please note why in a short paragraph............Maybe if you set up something like that it would avoid rambling (like I am doing now).


On a side note, I have to say I love how this group evolved. It seems like everyone received some education already. Like the thread about health testing......

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Rita, has brought up an important issue. I like her idea of good, excel, bad, and limited reply.
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Yes I agree and I would not let it get out of control with the idea of slander in mind. A rating system is great. And we dont ever have to say anything bad about anyone. A lot of times its not what WE say. But what they DONT say. So when a breeder brings themselves into this mix, we will simply ask questions. They can either prove what they do or cant.

My biggest hope is we can let good breeders shine here. I visualize someone sharing photos of where the puppies grow up. Links to show where they registered health testing results. A family tree so to speak.
Maybe owner referrals on their experience and how the breeder followed up afterwards. When people see what to expect from a good breeder, they will steer clear of the ones who make the cut. I have no problems posting photos of past litters just not current ones. Its not a classified section.

So we dont have to weed out the bad ones, Im thinking they will do that on their own. To be honest, my biggest concern on this new forum was breeders slandering each other. I wont allow that either. Politics can stay on the big lists.
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I agree with you Melissa, When some one is new on buying a prebreed dog they have no clue what to look for or to do or what to ask a breeder. I know I didnt really know what I was truly doing.Having pictures of pass lilter on how they are being raise is a good Idea.providing that people do not put up current liliters that are for sale.If people use this as it was ment for it will do great . Its all about a learning site and to share storys and get support from others. I love this site Melissa and in time as the word gets out You will have a very big site going LOL are you ready for that LOL Susan
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I'm a little too tired to think about this right now. We were up until around 3 am doing breeder stuff last night. I do have a comment on the referrals though. We would never ask one of our puppy buyers to be a reference for us simply because it would be a daily job. Of course any of them would be most welcome to make any comment but we don't ask.
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As a breeder, I don't think I am favor of this. I consider myself a good breeder. One that is honest, does health testing, is VERY picky about where my puppies will live forever, doesn't keep dogs in a kennel, etc. What I don't like about this idea is the liability involved here. I live in California, which is a very sue happy state.

I don't feel this is the best way to "educate" the buying public. Personality conflicts can come into play. I tell everyone that contacts me, to find a breeder you (the buyer) can work with, as this commitment to a puppy will be for the life of the puppy and you want a breeder that you like and feel comfortable about. On this forum I have read comments made by people regarding their puppy purchase that should have been red flags against buying from that particular breeder, yet they did it anyway. We live in a society that doesn't want to wait. Instead, they take what they can get now.

I don't soap my dogs, but rather I have xrays done on their fronts. Does that make a bad breeder? I don't think so, just a smart one! Many feel that soaping is a joke, as the only thing it shows is if a dog has a very bad front, but it doesn't show well, some dogs that are in question. The buying public has NO idea what to look for at all in a soaped picture. Those are really for breeders. I could show a buyer a soaped picture, and they would think the dog was fine, but another breeder would say, "oh no, not nice, won't use that dog/bitch for breeding".

I think what is important here is to get the word out to buyers on WHAT to ask and LOOK for, not their opinion about a person.
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