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post #1 of 98 (permalink) Old 08-01-2008, 07:14 PM Thread Starter
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Started out about Guarantees but morphed

You hear an awful lot about health testing, and I hope that's always the case, but I don't remember ever reading anything about a breeder's guarantee on these forums.

You also hear the term "Responsible Breeder" a lot. That can cover a wide range of things too but the most important thing is that the breeder is "responsible" to the puppies he/she produces.

There is the standard sort of guarantee where the breeder says they will replace the puppy. A lot of times this can be a copout because the majority of the time once a buyer has held the puppy they bought they won't give it up for anything. So I don't like that one. I don't remember ever hearing of a puppy being "replaced". Some of us may remember Darby.

There is another standard sort of guarantee, even recommended at one time (maybe still) by AKC where the breeder says they will buy the puppy/dog back at any time during its life. This is a good one but can also be misused much like the replace policy.

Most guarantee to deliver a healthy puppy. I would hope so.

Here's sort of a synopsis of our Guarantee in addition to the standard buyback for life clause:

We will pay up to the price of the puppy for any medical procedure needed caused by a congenital health problem.

If a puppy you get from us develops Chondrodysplasia we will give you your money back.

We will provide you with a puppy who is trained to use a litter box in an expen and all the time you need for us to train you how to further train the puppy.

We will provide you with a puppy who is already trained to sleep in a crate in your bedroom.

We guarantee that you can loose the training IN ONE AFTERNOON that we have put into the puppy for the previous two categories if you don't spend time with us to understand the training .

We guarantee that we will be available to discuss anything you need to know or need help with about your dog by phone or email.

We will "babysit" for any puppy you get from us any time you need to leave it and will work on any training that it or you need. We have people who come from surrounding states to leave their dog with us when they go on vacation.

I'm probably forgetting something but with all the new breeders and ever increasing numbers of puppy buyers I hope this gives some an idea of what being responsible means.

I'll come back and edit this first post if I think of anything that I left out.

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I love your guarantee Tom. It would be nice if every breeder did this and did all the health testing too. I imagine we would have a whole different world........can you imagine?

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I love your guarantee Tom. It would be nice if every breeder did this and did all the health testing too. I imagine we would have a whole different world........can you imagine?
So true, Julie!

Tom, thanks for posting this. Many would-be puppy owners should know what kind of committment and responsibility is expected of them as well from the breeder.

I am fortunate that my breeder has ths same committment and values you described. I was the first time puppy owner and without my breeder's unstinting 24/7 support and guidance, it would have been difficult.

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Tom, I think it's great you've posted some expectations. Thanks for doing it. It's information that I don't think all puppy buyers know to ask. You don't anticipate the "what if's".


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I love your guarantee Tom. It would be nice if every breeder did this and did all the health testing too. I imagine we would have a whole different world........can you imagine?
There are so many guarantees out there and a woman I know found out it's not worth the paper or website it's written on. She spent a fortune getting this dog it's championship and then she specialed her. She had the hip prelims done and found out that little skip she saw in the rear of the dog showed it has hip dysplasia. She told the breeder she was going to return her but was told they would only take her back as long as she didn't spay her. The breeder continues to post on their website that they'll take a dog back and refund your money though. Someone can say anything but do they back it? I know another breeder who also claims to forever take a dog back and refund your money and boasts that they've never done it unless it was a bitch they could breed.

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I'm sure there is plenty of this type of stuff Jan. It's sad.....but true. Claiming and Doing are 2 seperate things-----but wouldn't it be nice if all people "said what they meant,meant what they said,and stood by it?"

Everyone could use some of that---

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Yes, nothing is worth more than a reputation. Almost every puppy we sell is a referral.

The puppy buyer can tell a lot with a visit to the breeder. There are more and more breeders trying to live off of selling puppies. I don't know anyone who is making a comfortable living off of it. There are many categories of breeders and this is one thing that every puppy buyer should take into consideration.

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Those are some great guarantees, Tom! I especially like the Camp-Starborn Hav-sitting service! I think that's just awesome, I'd probably do the same thing if I were a breeder, it would be great to visit the puppies! Actually, did I tell you I did pup-sit 3 hav-silks last month...so we had "Camp Kara and Gucci". Ohh..it was fun! My husband said with looked like Manhattan Dog walkers trying to walk all four dogs twice a day! lol Some neighbors of ours took a picture and I need to get it from them.

Tom, I'd love to meet your crew when we get up to Lake Gaston! Dh and I are talking about renting a place for the weekend sometime this Fall. If you know of anyone that has Hav-friendly rentals, let me know!

Jan, that's an awful situation. People really should stand by their word!

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That's funny. I didn't know that I had mentioned "Camp Starborn" but that's exactly what a number of people call it.

We do know of a place on the lake right near us. Gucci would no doubt have fun visiting our pack. We can even keep her here if your family wants to go out to do something without her when you are here.

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I remember you mentioning it on another thread awhile back!

If you could PM me the realty company or the link, I'd appreciate it! Actually, it will probably just be me, DH and Gucci, just spending a quiet weekend away I appreciate the offer! We'll certainly come visit your crew.

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