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post #1 of 23 (permalink) Old 01-26-2009, 11:50 AM Thread Starter
 
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Question on deposits

I have been reading and contacting breeders in my hunt for the "right" one.

I prefer a red sable, chocolate tri-color...(just like the looks of them)

What happens when you give someone a deposit and they don't have the color you want in that litter?

Some have told me that you get your money back then and others have told me that the deposit it kept towards the next litter, which in some cases wouldn't be for another year. It seems wanting a specific color makes things harder.

Don't breeders keep a list of people who are interested and just go in the order they went onto the list?

If I was 3rd on the list and she didn't have my color, then wouldn't it just go to the next person?

I'm a little put off by the breeders who don't want to give you your money back. Waiting another year is extreme and what happens if they still don't have the color you wanted?

Everyone who has puppies, seems to sell them as fast as it's announced.
This is why I don't understand why they wouldn't just move on to the next person who wanted one. I haven't run across a breeder yet who had puppies just sitting around waiting to be had. (except maybe breeders you don't want to use).

I'm frustrated with trying to decide who to send a deposit to.
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post #2 of 23 (permalink) Old 01-26-2009, 11:56 AM
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Every breeder is different. Some will keep the deposit, some will credit it towards another puppy/litter, and some will refund it. You need to ask specifics from each person. (I think I've only taken one deposit and that was because the family was going on vacation and I was doing the spay for them while they were away.)

Very few breeders work on a first-come, first-serve basis. Most try to match temperament of the puppy to the best home (best for that puppy) on the list.

Many of us also have waiting lists. We can't keep puppies "in stock" so to speak. If you really want a certain look, especially from an ethical breeder, it may take quite a while.
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We went looking for a female, and my daughter really wanted white or cream, but we got neither! When we started talking with the breeder she told us not to make decisions until we met the puppies and then decide. She was so right! We got there and she took all the pups and the mommy out of the expen and told us to play with them, pick them up, play with the toys. We did and after a few minutes Scooter walked over to me and once I held him I knew he belonged with us. The kids were going on looks alone, DH and I listened to the breeder talking about temperament and we watched them all for a while.

So...our cream female turned into a chocolate and white male and we couldn't be happier!!! Good luck on your search and I hope you don't have to wait too long.

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Scooters story...a good one! Kimberly is very wise!

Honestly, I didn't care about color...although we did want a girl at first. Riki was the one best suited to us personality wise, and he was a wonderful fit. With Daisy it was a harder choice as several of the puppies were wonderful. I actually wanted an all black...but Alana wanted the little black and white girl...and so now we have Daisy. Daisy's calm temperament actually fit better with Riki's assertiveness. They are a great fit.

Here is the challenge with these dogs, Riki started out black and white...and turned silver...and if you read some of the threads, many of the dogs completely change.

Yes, you might have your heart set on a specific color...but even in the ring, dogs of all colors are winners. You could even find a breeder with a good deposit situation and you get there to meet your perfect puppy, and you could even fall in love with another whose temperament matches you better.

A really good breeder knows that temperament is the key to your lifetime with a dog who could change colors up to three or more times! Your breeder wants to insure a good match, with color actually being secondary regarding being a good fit.

We wanted a girl and didn't care what color with the first. Ended up with a beautiful energetic boy who turned silver. We wanted a an black girl, and ended up with a very calm and sweet black and white parti girl who stayed the truest black.

Good luck. You might just get lucky and get all three...good deposit system, right color, and great disposition for your family and not have to wait too long.

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Please do not choose a puppy based upon color. Havanese change colors anyway. There are traits that will make that puppy fit into your family better than others. Breeders are much more willing to work with you on traits than colors.
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I would have to agree with Cheryl. Both the reds and chocolates often dilute so in a year you very well may have a cream dog But if you pick the right dog, you could have a perfect family member regardless of color for 15 plus years!

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Maybe instead of putting down a deposit 'hoping' for the right color to be born, you can really research and find the puppy first, then put down a deposit.
Chocolates aren't all that rare, a true red is though- (it almost sounded like you want both in one dog? A red sable chocolate?) and yes most of the time both fade out to much lighter colors as adults. I have seen a couple of adults that have kept their red, but I don't see it very often. So I agree with everyone else. You really should aim toward a good personality fit and let the color come next.
What if you put a deposit down on a puppy that is the perfect color but it ends up being too shy or too hyper for your lifestyle?


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This thread brings up a question that I have often wondered about. Does asking for specific colors or sizes or even gender raise any red flags with breeders?

Bentley was the breeders pick for me and is probably more aloof than my choice would have been. When I decided to add Eddie to the family, I really wanted a female but when I met the litter he immediately came up to me, put his paw on my knee and looked into my eyes. Its been like that with us ever since. When I added Rosie, she was an adult and a personality that would fit into "the pack" was most important.

Whenever I have added a dog I have had such a such an IWAP ache that I couldn't have waited for the perfect color anyway!

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I knew one breeder (no longer in Havs) that would get so annoyed when people would request a certain color that she would call them shallow and ask if they would only take their kids if they had a specific look. She's no longer around, and while it seemed like a funny response, it was a bit harsh, in my opinion.

I think most breeders understand the aesthetic appeal of a certain look. Sizes requests only raise an eyebrow for me when they request very small. As for gender, I tend to ask questions about why they want a particular gender, because I find that there are many people who are just uninformed and assume a male will be a humper & marker. - as we all know, it can be even more of a problem with a female.
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Thanks for the reply! It must be hard for a breeder to watch their puppies go & wonder what their lives will be like!

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