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post #1 of 19 (permalink) Old 02-18-2015, 10:26 PM Thread Starter
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Chocolate Havanese. A scam?

Does anyone here know of or has had an experience with the breeder from Chocolate Havanese? Is she legit or did I do something wrong???

I was about to place a deposit for a puppy but have not heard back from her at all. She asked me if there was a certain bank near me where I could place deposit for puppy. I responded to tell her yes, in same email I also told her I might just go pick up puppy (instead of having him shipped) so that he wouldn't have to fly alone. After that email she didn't reply, I haven't heard from her. I tried calling but it went straight to voicemail so I left a message but nada. She had stopped emailing me for a couple days before because she had gone to ER, so maybe she had complications or did she stop emailing me because I said I would go pick up puppy and she doesn't really have it? I don't know what to think. I also asked her if puppy could stay with mama until he was 9-10 weeks because everyone is recommending they stay with mom for that amount of time to prevent behavioral/learning issues.

Now my son will be sad, I had showed him the photos of puppy and he fell in love. He even downloaded the picture and chose a name for him. I still haven't told him incase she is in hospital or something. If anyone has any info on this breeder please let me know.

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I don't know anything about that breeder. Was it this site?: http://www.chocolatehavanesepups.com

If so, stay far, FAR away. These are puppy mill brokers, and you can put in any major city and find the same web site.

There are WAY too many "red flags" here for you to go forward. Never EVER buy a puppy from an internet site. That's different than finding a breeder's kennel web site and contacting them through that. Reputable breeders will spend time interviewing you. They won't sell very young puppies and they will be glad to welcome you into their homes to meet not only the puppies, but the parents as well. (At least the mother... Many breeders will use studs owned by someone else)

Your son may be disappointed, but he hasn't fallen in love with a puppy, he has fallen in love with the IDEA of a puppy. Far better that you should go back to the drawing board now, and find yourself a reputable breeder of quality puppies (see our "sticky" at the top of the forum) and end up with a wonderful friend for the next 15 or more years. A puppy mill puppy (or even one from a back yard breeder) can be years of heartache, in temperament, health or both.
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Please read this sticky right away. Things to Look for in a Reputable Breeder

The fact that the breeder went dark after you asked about picking up the puppy in person is a HUGE RED FLAG. You should never agree to meet a breeder off site or have your puppy shipped by airplane. TRUST YOUR INSTINCTS ON THIS! A breeder that is not reputable discourages or won’t allow you to come to their home for visits.

And breeders that breed for a specific color, especially chocolate, are often not reputable. Good breeders do not breed for rare colors or miniature sizes.

I know it's tough to have this puppy fall through but in the end it will be worth it. I walked away from 2 BYBs, had to fight to get my deposits back, and then I found Emmie's breeder. I visited her twice; once at 7 weeks and again at 10.5 weeks when I picked up my puppy in person. I'm glad I went with my gut and didn't settle for a lesser bred Havanese; it took more time but in the long run I have a healthy dog that has been fairly easy to potty train, socialize, and does well with other people, kids, and dogs. She's the best companion for me and my family.

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That sounded like worse than a puppy mill, as bad as that is. It sounded like a scam. I think you got lucky.

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I know of this breeder local to me who prides herself on "rare chocolate havanese"
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I have no doubt she cares for the puppies/dogs but I have asked her who the dam was for her last litter and she didn't answer me. I know she has 3 chocolate bitches, I think she kept one from a litter she bred. She only has 1 sire, he's chocolate.

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I follow Havahug on Instagram. 2 of her females recently had puppies according to her site. She seems like a good breeder to me and takes great care of her pups. Dogs look very healthy, well taken care of, happy, house is clean, etc. She also has videos on YT. Last year KitKat (one of the chocolate females) had 2 precious white chocolates. She also has a non chocolate female.
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I follow Havahug on Instagram. 2 of her females recently had puppies according to her site. She seems like a good breeder to me and takes great care of her pups. Dogs look very healthy, well taken care of, happy, house is clean, etc. She also has videos on YT. Last year KitKat (one of the chocolate females) had 2 precious white chocolates. She also has a non chocolate female.
I think Heather was implying that, though she doesn't doubt they adore their dogs, they may not be your best bet, and looking at their website, I have to agree. They had 2 litters within 10 days of each other, which is nothing but trouble to me. She seems to also breed almost purely for the chocolate color, which is another red flag for me. Color is the absolute last thing a breeder should be selecting for. "White chocolate" is a gimmicky term she made up for a white pup with poor pigmentation, from what I'm gathering from her site.

If a clean home and happy and healthy looking dogs were all it took to be a "reputable breeder", we would be in deep trouble. As others have said, please please read the sticky on finding a reputable breeder.

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I follow Havahug on Instagram. 2 of her females recently had puppies according to her site. She seems like a good breeder to me and takes great care of her pups. Dogs look very healthy, well taken care of, happy, house is clean, etc. She also has videos on YT. Last year KitKat (one of the chocolate females) had 2 precious white chocolates. She also has a non chocolate female.
It concerns me that she doesn't appear to do any health testing on her breeding parents. Also, it is very suspect that she advertises that she will sell a pup with breeding rights for additional money. Even though she says she will do it at her discretion, the very fact that she is advertising that invites puppy mills and backyard breeders. Which makes me suspicious that that is her intent. Also, she is charging the same prices for her puppies that you would pay for a much better bred and guaranteed dog. She also ships her puppies which is a cruel and inhumane thing to do to young pup. Down in cargo on a plane the temps will go from 20 degrees to 80 degrees on the same flight. There is no way to protect the puppy from those temp extremes. Enough blankets to keep him warm in 20 degrees will bake him in 80 degrees.

She just seems too commercial for my liking. Faust Haus Havanese in NC is a much better choice if you are looking specifically for a chocolate.
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It concerns me that she doesn't appear to do any health testing on her breeding parents. Also, it is very suspect that she advertises that she will sell a pup with breeding rights for additional money. Even though she says she will do it at her discretion, the very fact that she is advertising that invites puppy mills and backyard breeders. Also, she is charging the same prices for her puppies that you would pay for a much better bred and guaranteed dog. She just seems too commercial for my liking. Faust Haus Havanese in NC is a much better choice if you are looking specifically for a chocolate.
I'm having trouble find red sables. Eventually we would like to get another Havsnese when Rudy is closer to 2 years old.
They are hard to find.

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I'm having trouble find red sables. Eventually we would like to get another Havsnese when Rudy is closer to 2 years old.
They are hard to find.
A few of us on the forum have Rockhurst pups and Beth has beautiful clear red and red sable dogs.
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