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post #21 of 32 (permalink) Old 05-26-2017, 10:33 AM
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I am now using primal freeze dried nuggets in turkey and sardine, primal frozen in duck pellets (I will rotate this with rabbit bricks and others) with a little Fromm Puppy Gold, late in the day if he goes to his empty bowl and looks at me sweetly. His fecal is firm but not hard, and there is a very small amount. He is perfect weight wise at 22 weeks, and his coat is both pearly and glossy. Maybe we can't all feed the same thing so recommendations are pretty pointless, but I can recommend the bowls to use! These are on Amazon and keep the floor clean and stay in place. Kosmo is a boyish boy, but pink was on sale and he is very open minded to color.
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I have always had dogs with health issues so my thinking may be a little skewed but even though it's never killed a dog I would not feed kibble, or even commercial foot, myself. Many do great on it that are genetically strong to begin with but it would be like us eating a complete nutrition processed cereal all of our lives. I home cook for Sophie who has major tummy issues but only with the guidance of our holistic vet, it's very hard to do on your own and have it be balanced to not have other problems crop up down the road. Like others said Sabine would be a great one to turn to if you go that route.

If you get Netflix watch Dog Fooled. It's really good, Dr. Karen Becker is in it also and explains a lot about how bad commercial "can" be for dogs over a life time. Again many get lucky and have a dog who will do fine on kibble all their lives in spite of it not being the best but since my experience has always been unhealthy dogs I want to give them the best chance possible to be healthy as we can.

Expensive though! And time consuming! I don't like that part and I HATE to cook. But feels good to set the bowl down at meal time.
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First, congratulations on the 3rd hav. You had two the last time I was here. Three havs - that's a lot of fun and love!!


I'm wondering what you feed your havs? I've been feeding Charley Origen for years (always soaked) and Charley seemed fine until late winter when he started itching. I tried so many things and finally took him off the Origen and it helped immediately and I temporarily put him back on Organix which is what he was fed at Starborn almost 6 years ago.

But I don't know where to go from here and I'm wondering what you do?

What would you suggest?
Thanks, Panda is 19 months old now, so we've had the "whole gang" for quite a while!

Food is SUCH a personal decision, and it depends SO much on the needs of your dog. Kodi has a bunch of food intolerances which has made it hard to find the right food for him. I can't feed raw for a number of reasons, but did use The Honest Kitchen, and really liked it. So did Kodi. But then his allergies got worse and we really needed him on a limited ingredient diet. I decided to go with an excellent quality commercial limited ingredient food that offered several protein sources. We ended up using Nature's Variety. We started with Limited Ingredient Duck, and when, after about 3 years, he started having trouble with duck (and it is not at all unusual for a dog with food intolerances to become sensitized to other foods, especially proteins, over time) Now he's on NV Limited Ingredient Turkey, and doing well again. However, I would NEVER go in the direction of a specific limited ingredient diet without first doing testing to figure out what the dog was sensitive to.

Nature's Variety Limited Ingredient food is available in both canned and kibble. They get kibble for breakfast and canned (with their supplements) for supper. Fortunately, the girls seem to do fine on it too, so we aren't doing multiple different meals. (bad enough with the supplements!!! )

But, other than learning what are "better" and "worse" foods, I think when it comes down to specifics, it's just too individual for someone to just take someone else's suggestion because of what's working for them and their dog(s). Even with just Kodi, the answer has changed several times in his life time!


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Now I am feeling bad. I feed mine Kirkland Signature small dog (4.5 stars according to dog food advisor web site), supplement it with frozen raw from a local company (Darwin) that deliver. My goal is alternate kibble and raw every other day or so, unless I am forget to thaw the raw food. I also give them raw beef bones from Asian groceries store a few times a month.

For a while Zelda had hive looking flaky circles all over her loin (not itchy) that the vet thought were allergy related. I got a anti bacterial/fungal skin spray from the vet for it and I tried a bunch of different food/different ingredient. But eventually it just went away.

My biggest problem with food is how to help Zelda loose weight. I can only feed her a little as 1/8 cup of kibble for her to lose weight. I feel so bad giving her so little food. Granted partly is because she'd get food somewhere else (training treats, stolen food, human food dropped). She still has "blubber" under her skin right even she's down to less than 12lb.

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Well this has been an extremely informative thread! Now it's making me question if I'm not feeding my puppy right... :/

When I got Duke from the breeder she was feeding him Royal Canin soft moouse and Mini Puppy Hard food

So we just stuck with that, followed the bag directions. Duke gets Royal Canin Mini Puppy 5/8 of a cup split into three for breakfast lunch and dinner. For extra snack and food we give him the soft puppy royal canin canned food ( Usually in is kong)

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We have always added a meat and vegetables to Scout and Truffles kibble. I have always fed them Orijen or Acana. A few weeks ago I bought NOW which is Canadian. Scout and Truffles love it. The kibble is very small and would be great for a puppy.

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Now I am feeling bad. I feed mine Kirkland Signature small dog (4.5 stars according to dog food advisor web site), supplement it with frozen raw from a local company (Darwin) that deliver. My goal is alternate kibble and raw every other day or so, unless I am forget to thaw the raw food. I also give them raw beef bones from Asian groceries store a few times a month.

For a while Zelda had hive looking flaky circles all over her loin (not itchy) that the vet thought were allergy related. I got a anti bacterial/fungal skin spray from the vet for it and I tried a bunch of different food/different ingredient. But eventually it just went away.

My biggest problem with food is how to help Zelda loose weight. I can only feed her a little as 1/8 cup of kibble for her to lose weight. I feel so bad giving her so little food. Granted partly is because she'd get food somewhere else (training treats, stolen food, human food dropped). She still has "blubber" under her skin right even she's down to less than 12lb.
Why should you feel bad about that?!?! Sounds like your dogs eat very well. We use kibble part of the time too, mostly because my husband likes to feed them in the mornings, and doesn't want to bother with anything bu tkibble, but it also makes travel easier if you have something dry that you know you can get just about anywhere. (I HAVE ended up at a multi-day trial several hours away, only to find that I let the dog food at home!!! )

Who knows what Zelda's skin problem was, but if it went away and didn't come back, it's VERY unlikely to have been an allergy problem.

As far as weight loss is concerned, I know you already know the answer! Control the calories in! Mine don't get much at meal time either, because it is very important to me that they remain trim and fit for sports. And although we DO use lots of training treats, I make sure that it is good quality, highly nutritious food that we use for training. Mine get very little "people food". They share an egg when we have eggs 2-3 days a week, and they get steamed veggies (whatever we are eating) in the evenings. Kodi also LOVES to share fresh fruit with Dave, though the girls think he's nuts. They never get any people "junk food" or sweets other than the fruit.


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Now I am feeling bad. I feed mine Kirkland Signature small dog (4.5 stars according to dog food advisor web site), supplement it with frozen raw from a local company (Darwin) that deliver. My goal is alternate kibble and raw every other day or so, unless I am forget to thaw the raw food. I also give them raw beef bones from Asian groceries store a few times a month.

For a while Zelda had hive looking flaky circles all over her loin (not itchy) that the vet thought were allergy related. I got a anti bacterial/fungal skin spray from the vet for it and I tried a bunch of different food/different ingredient. But eventually it just went away.

My biggest problem with food is how to help Zelda loose weight. I can only feed her a little as 1/8 cup of kibble for her to lose weight. I feel so bad giving her so little food. Granted partly is because she'd get food somewhere else (training treats, stolen food, human food dropped). She still has "blubber" under her skin right even she's down to less than 12lb.
You shouldn't feel bad. Everybody on the forum is a crazy Havi parent but you have to do what works for you, your dog, your lifestyle, and your pocketbook. Loki gets 1/2 can of wet food and 1/4 cup of kibble everyday - split between morning and night. (I tried dehydrated raw but he had loose stools for a month. I decided it wasn't worth it.) He also gets some veggies or fruit - whatever I have around - he likes them all. I make him work for most of his food. He gets all his wet food in a kong and the kibble in a Orbee tuff mazee ball or a puzzle ball. If I feed him in a bowl, he eats and 30 seconds and then looks at me for more. He seems more satisfied with the same amount when it takes him longer to eat.

I also leave a tiny frozen kong as a snack for the walker to give him. Sometimes it is just his wet food, or I might get creative -
  • peanut butter, plain yogurt, honey, bananas
[LIST][*]plain yogurt and strawberries or melon[*]unsweetened applesauce and cheese

It has to seem appetizing to me but he probably doesn't care if the flavors go together. LOL!

Believe me, if I had to make lunches or get kids to school, he wouldn't be so spoiled.

I also put vegetables in the Mazee or puzzle ball for him sometimes. I always keep frozen soup veggies - peas, carrots, green beans - in the freezer. I told him they were treats in the ball when he was tiny. He still gets excited. Adding some veggies might be good for weight loss - low calorie but bulky.

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We have always added a meat and vegetables to Scout and Truffles kibble. I have always fed them Orijen or Acana. A few weeks ago I bought NOW which is Canadian. Scout and Truffles love it. The kibble is very small and would be great for a puppy.
We also use NOW Fresh Grain Free for Small Breeds because it was recommended by our breeder. We started with the NOW Fresh puppy formula. Here are links to both. We don't buy from Amazon, however, we go to our local Chuck and Don's (apparently only in MN, WI, and CO).







The first woman I met at Chuck and Don's told me that it's good that it's Canadian because Canada has higher dog food standards than the US.

I'm sure Shama would love to have meat and vegetables added to her kibble. She's also still waiting for her slice of dehydrated banana that she would get every night at bedtime if she lived at Ricky Ricardo's house!
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I feed my dogs kibble I think everyone should feed the healthiest you can afford when I had 3 dogs I was feeding taste of the wild now that I have 2 dogs I am transitioning to Fromm which I really liked when I gave it to Luna 4 years ago so am going back to it
I also give wet dog food a few times a week usually zignature I like the ingredients and variety but we recently got honest kitchen which they loved so might get that as a topper in the future
They also get homemade tuna treats for training and real chicken or steak for really yummy variety
I use to give commercial treats like fruitables and zukes but sprocket has gotten more picky and stopped eat them he holds out for the tuna cookies so I stopped buying treats at the store
Sprocket is the only dog I've ever had that loves fruit bananas and cantaloupe probably his favorites


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