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I canít in good conscience recommend this option for the majority of proactive pet owners, given the challenges of finding a good variety of fresh, raw, whole, legally obtained wild game.
I can obtain fresh, raw, whole, legally obtained wild game. (Yay for Colorado) Although the proteins I feed are beef, duck (rare), turkey (infrequent), lamb, goat, rabbit and sardine (rare). Of course this wouldn't tell you if his diet is balanced. You would need more information.

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The wolf in the wild will eat:

Muscle meat
Smaller bones
All internal organs (kidneys, lungs, blood, intestines, liver, heart and brain)
Eyes
Tongue
Thyroid, adrenal and all other glands
Assorted other goodies
Many of these parts of the prey animal provide important nutrients for your dog (or kitty), so if youíre not feeding the whole prey, your pet is not getting all the essentials he needs to be healthy.
Which is why you need to research which parts provide which nutrients. You can figure this out within the website I linked as well as elsewhere.

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If chicken legs are fed as a sole food source, your pet will become deficient in essential nutrients such as potassium, iron, copper, manganese, zinc, vitamins A, D, E and B12, iodine and choline.
Not feeding chicken legs as sole source. More info on this found in link I provided or found easily elsewhere. Point is DO THE RESEARCH.

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They have been domesticated by humans
Dogs domesticated themselves, but this is a tangent. Just annoyed me when reading.

Her argument seems to be that since domestication dogs are no longer carnivores. I think the dog anatomy says otherwise. Sure, they seem to be "opportunistic" feeders, but I think they thrive on a BALANCED carefully designed PMR or heavily PMR based diet. I've done the research. If you want to have a discussion though, I am up for it.

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They aren't carnivore, and no longer have wolf-like carnivore teeth. They are scavengers.


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if you learn from sites like you mentioned I along with most professionals would argue is not a good choice. Good luck finding a veterinary nutritionist that will endorse a raw prey model diet . Share their names with us if you able to find one ?

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They aren't carnivore, and no longer have wolf-like carnivore teeth. They are scavengers.
anatomy of eating

Or the textbook: Mammology: Adaptation, Diversity, and Ecology by Feldhammer.

Or wiki https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Anatom...ion#Carnivores

Not wolf teeth, still carnivore teeth. Designed for ripping and tearing.

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if you learn from sites like you mentioned I along with most professionals would argue is not a good choice. Good luck finding a veterinary nutritionist that will endorse a raw prey model diet . Share their names with us if you able to find one ?
Not just sites like the one I mentioned (though the one I mentioned is good!), also textbooks.

You challenge me with articles, but when I show you how they don't really apply (they talk about feeding only a single chicken part or not being able to source legal wild game) then you excuse yourself with "find a nutritionist who agrees with you!".

Did you bother to even read the article I linked? What is your problem with it exactly? I at least gave you a response to the ones you linked.

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I won't get into a debate on whether dogs are carnivores or not. Been there. You came here with a doubt whether you were feeding a balanced diet. We are not the ones to answer this. If you want the best source , ask a nutrtionist. I happen to know one personally . If you pm me with your diet I can give her this and get a brief answer. She is on holidays so would get back to you ASAP

here is a good article Vegetables for dogs - to feed, or not to feed? - The Possible Canine
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dogs have evolved https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog...read-and-pasta
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I didn't start this thread because I have doubts. I said I was not worried about Migo's diet, but I would like to give him a test just to feel more confident. I started this thread to learn more about testing for a nutrient deficiency.

Again, I am in the process of filling out paperwork to see a nutritionist at a university. It seems like a long process and working during their hours doesn't help. But if you don't mind asking about testing for nutrient deficiencies I would really appreciate it. From what I can tell, the blood test isn't the best way to go about it.

I'm here because I want the best for my Havanese, not to defend Migo's diet to you. I even agree that most people do not do enough research when they begin a raw diet. I particularly like this regarding carnivore vs omnivore though Rebuttal to Second Chance Ranch

The fact that we are both on this forum and that we seek out and critically digest information suggests that we do what we think is best for our dogs. In fact, from my little time on this forum and seeing your posts, this topic seems to be the only thing we disagree on.

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If you don't want a professional nutritionists help from my side. thats fine. She can tell from your diet, whether there might be deficiencies . Sorry you are not interested ????

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If you don't want a professional nutritionists help from my side. thats fine. She can tell from your diet, whether there might be deficiencies . Sorry you are not interested ????
Why would I be interested? She can't do a physical exam. She can't do an in-person consultation. I'm not going to give a friend of a stranger on the internet permission to contact Migo's vet, so she won't be able to do a medical history review. I don't know her credentials. Why would I go to her when I live right next to the third best vet school in the US?

Also https://www.scimex.org/newsfeed/nz-d...mal-nutrition#

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