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How to test for nutrient deficiency?

Migo has been on a prey model raw diet since I got him. He's doing well, has grown a lot and seems quite healthy and happy. Since we've moved on to other proteins (added one at a time for signs of allergy), we have stopped chicken and he's mostly on red meat with the exception of sardine (fed rarely) and turkey.

I'm not concerned for him at all, but I would like to get him tested for any nutrient deficiencies. I'm slightly paranoid when it comes to Migo's health and would hate to find out that I've been doing something wrong despite my research. My quick googling says that blood work is not the best for this test. Has anyone tested their dog? How do I go about it and what did you find out from your test?

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if you are on a raw diet like this you should be following a professionally designed plan preferably by a nutritionist.

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Doing it right Jean Dodds

The biggest concern with homemade diets is that, unless properly formulated and followed, the diet may not be nutritionally balanced. For this reason, I strongly advise that you obtain your recipe from a reputable source, such as a book published by a holistic or holistically minded veterinarian, board-certified veterinary nutritionist, or canine/feline nutritionist where the recipes have been tested and verified as nutritionally balanced. If you are able, you can also consult with a reputable animal nutritionist to design the diet.

When preparing a homemade diet for your dog or cat, itís essential to stick to the ingredients listed. Substituting ingredients can result in a diet that is no longer nutritionally balanced. Also, be sure to add all vitamin/mineral and any other supplements as directed; these supplements are essential to ensuring that the diet is properly balanced


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First, many homemade and prey-model diets and a few commercially available raw food diets are unbalanced. This means pets have been brought to veterinarians, including me, with nutritional imbalances that could and should have been avoided. These animals are deficient in antioxidants, or the correct amounts of trace minerals and vitamins, or the right fatty acid balance for appropriate and balanced skeletal growth, and organ and immune health.

Usually, these well-intentioned owners donít correlate their petís medical issues with nutritional deficiencies, but their vets do. And many veterinarians develop very strong opinions against all homemade and raw diets because of these cases. There are many well-meaning people who feed unbalanced diets out of ignorance and, in some cases, stubbornness.

Iíve had several clients tell me they donít care that the analysis of their petís current diet Ė letís say, chicken wings and burgers Ė demonstrates deficiencies in certain critical nutrients. They believe that ďThis is the diet Iíve fed for X number of years and my dog is doing fine, so thereís no need to change it.Ē

Dr. Becker ..." #13 Dead last on the list and the worst thing you can feed your pet is an unbalanced, homemade diet Ė raw or cooked. I'm seeing an increasing number of misguided pet owners in my practice who think they're doing the right thing by serving their pet, say, a chicken breast and some veggies and calling it a day.

Yes, the food is homemade, but it's nutritionally unbalanced. Pets being fed this way are showing up at my clinic with endocrine abnormalities, skeletal issues and organ degeneration as a result of deficiencies in calcium, trace minerals and omega fatty acids.

Catherine Lane Last article for The Bark- Myths and Misperceptions about Home Feeding - The Possible Canine

http://news.ucdavis.edu/search/news_...lasso?id=10666 study on home prepared
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I am already aware of that article and study. I'm not feeding him chicken breast and veggies and calling it a day. Seems like there are a lot of assumptions being made.
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I am already aware of that article and study. I'm not feeding him chicken breast and veggies and calling it a day. Seems like there are a lot of assumptions being made.
But YOU asked the question about possible nutrient deficiencies. And didn't give any information about what you are feeding other than that it is a "prey model diet". You didn't give us much to go on, and all too many people try to "wing it" with raw diets. It can take a long, LONG time for deficiencies to show up.

If you really want to know whether you are feeding an appropriate diet, you should be checking with one of the professionals in the article Dave shared, not asking other people who don't know much about it either (but who almost all have opinions ) on the internet.


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But YOU asked the question about possible nutrient deficiencies. And didn't give any information about what you are feeding other than that it is a "prey model diet". You didn't give us much to go on, and all too many people try to "wing it" with raw diets. It can take a long, LONG time for deficiencies to show up.

If you really want to know whether you are feeding an appropriate diet, you should be checking with one of the professionals in the article Dave shared, not asking other people who don't know much about it either (but who almost all have opinions ) on the internet.
I was asking if anyone has tested their dog for a nutrition deficiency and to share what they learned from the experience. A copy-pasted hunk of info on how most people who feed raw aren't doing it right isn't helpful for me. I did a year's worth of research before I got Migo. I know which proteins and which muscle or organ meats provide which vitamins and minerals. You still have to be careful though given how tiny/young he is which is why I'm considering getting him tested. I'm already in the process of getting an appt at a top 3 vet school's nutritionist. I got this. I was just asking for experiences with testing while I wait.

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Could you give a url for the test you took? Also do you think you can give me a sample diet of what you feed your puppy? I mostly just pat the dog down, to feel ribs, and check poop, mouth oder, etc.

I know you measure the food you feed with ounces, by using your dogs weight, and such, but I would like to know if my dog is getting enough nutrition. Thanks!



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Could you give a url for the test you took? Also do you think you can give me a sample diet of what you feed your puppy? I mostly just pat the dog down, to feel ribs, and check poop, mouth oder, etc.

I know you measure the food you feed with ounces, by using your dogs weight, and such, but I would like to know if my dog is getting enough nutrition. Thanks!
There is a lot of good information here https://www.rfas.uk/canine-starter-guide

Hope that helps!

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There is a lot of good information here https://www.rfas.uk/canine-starter-guide

Hope that helps!
This is why I will repeat Jean Dodds warning about using proper PROFESSIONAL nutritionists to develope raw or cooked diets. These sort of websites are the reason veterinary nutritionists do not even recommend raw diets. And the nutrtionists that do tend to favor BARF raw diets over prey model.

Jean Dodds ..."The biggest concern with homemade diets is that, unless properly formulated and followed, the diet may not be nutritionally balanced. For this reason, I strongly advise that you obtain your recipe from a reputable source, such as a book published by a holistic or holistically minded veterinarian, board-certified veterinary nutritionist, or canine/feline nutritionist where the recipes have been tested and verified as nutritionally balanced. If you are able, you can also consult with a reputable animal nutritionist to design the diet.
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Why not prey model raw diets
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