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post #1 of 15 (permalink) Old 12-29-2010, 09:36 PM Thread Starter
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Homecooked recipes

I talked to my vet about homecooked and he loaned me a book that has over 100 recipes in it. If you follow the recipes and add the supplement that goes with the book then the meal it totally balanced. It even tells you exactly how much to feed based on weight. You can check out the website at http://www.completeandbalanced.com/
I scanned and saved a bunch of the recipes (26 of them; transition and regular adult, but the book also has puppy, senior, kidney issues, diabetic, vegan, etc.) and I'm going to try to upload them here; not sure if it will work though since I'm uploading scanned documents, so if not, if anyone wants homecooked recipes, just email or IM me and I will email them to you.
So I attached a couple and did a preview and it looks like it will be hard to read, so basically, just IM or email me and I will send them to yous. The recipes are all really easy to make and seem yummy (except maybe the cod liver oil). I looked at pricing too and it doesn't seem like it will be any pricier than buying a quality commercial dog food.
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interesting! what kind of ingredients do you use and how long does it take to make??
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I've been doing homecooked for over 3 years now, there is a yahoo group with a ton of information you can join. I know there are several threads on condition specific foods and supplements.

I will tell you that the change to homecooked will loosen the bowels up for a few months, dogs that eat kibble drink alot of water to digest it, Itd' be like a human living on vitamin injected fritos, lol..you'd get thirsty, haha.. but their bodies adjust and they realize since they are eating water rich food that they don't need to drink as much and the stools get normal after awhile.

Probiotics are a great thing to add to your supplement list. My vet raves about them.

My vet wasnt' too thrilled with my choice to homecook until we did some blood tests to check out how she was doing and she passed with flying colors, A++ So they trust me now...and I've been doing it so long. However, she is starting to like new foods lately, which is interesting..maybe she's found her grown up palate

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interesting! what kind of ingredients do you use and how long does it take to make??
The ingredients are pretty straightforward; ground beef, liver, tuna, egg, salmon, rice, potato, oatmeal, carrots, chicken, etc. They don't take very long to make at all. For instance, I made a transitioning recipe that consisted of ground beef, egg noodles, cod liver oil, safflower oil and the Hilary's blend supplement. It took only about 10 minutes to make. I just cooked up the ground and the eggs, dumped them into a bowl, added the oils and the supplement, mixed it up and individual servings by putting it into a sandwich baggy for freezing using my kitchen scale for portioning. I did the same with a recipe that called for tuna, rice, oils and supplement. Five minutes to cook minute rice. I put all the portions into the freezer and then in the evenings I just take out two packages to put in the fridge for the next day's meals. The transitioning recipes are super easy since they have limited ingredients and the book says you can actually keep the dog on those forever if you want...there are 10. The regular adult recipes are a bit more involved, but still super easy. For example, ground beef, apple sauce, tomato sauce, carrots, oils, supplement, egg, honey, and a spinach leaf. Cook the meat, put carrots in food processor to finely chop (could always buy the grated salad carrots too if you want, but they cost more), add oils and supplement to tomato sauce, combine all ingredients and mix well. Portion into baggies and freeze. Again, it really only takes five minutes longer than it takes to cook the meat. There is a video on the website and the lady in it keeps talking and talking and so it takes her 40 minutes to do what should take 10-15 minutes.
The website says the supplement is 40 CDN, but my vet charged me 36 including the taxes. It makes 20 kg of food (44 pounds). The cod liver oil was pricey at 9 bucks, but it will last forever since only using a few teaspoons at a time.
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my vet wasnt' too thrilled with my choice to homecook until we did some blood tests to check out how she was doing and she passed with flying colors, A++ So they trust me now...and I've been doing it so long. However, she is starting to like new foods lately, which is interesting..maybe she's found her grown up palate

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I called my vet's office first to see where they stood since I didnt want to pay for a consult only to be steered back to commercial dog food. I only knew him from taking in my guinea pigs, so I didn't know where his head would be at with regard to the dog. He came to the phone and spoke to me, no charge, which I thought was very nice. He was right on board with homecooked and said he had a book I could borrow and that he trusted this book/PhD author. Hilary will also do up custom recipes if necessary at a vet's request. I'm unsure what the fee would be for that though. I was very glad though that my vet was so onboard; makes things so much easier/nicer.
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The ingredients are pretty straightforward; ground beef, liver, tuna, egg, salmon, rice, potato, oatmeal, carrots, chicken, etc. They don't take very long to make at all. For instance, I made a transitioning recipe that consisted of ground beef, egg noodles, cod liver oil, safflower oil and the Hilary's blend supplement. It took only about 10 minutes to make. I just cooked up the ground and the eggs, dumped them into a bowl, added the oils and the supplement, mixed it up and individual servings by putting it into a sandwich baggy for freezing using my kitchen scale for portioning. I did the same with a recipe that called for tuna, rice, oils and supplement. Five minutes to cook minute rice. I put all the portions into the freezer and then in the evenings I just take out two packages to put in the fridge for the next day's meals. The transitioning recipes are super easy since they have limited ingredients and the book says you can actually keep the dog on those forever if you want...there are 10. The regular adult recipes are a bit more involved, but still super easy. For example, ground beef, apple sauce, tomato sauce, carrots, oils, supplement, egg, honey, and a spinach leaf. Cook the meat, put carrots in food processor to finely chop (could always buy the grated salad carrots too if you want, but they cost more), add oils and supplement to tomato sauce, combine all ingredients and mix well. Portion into baggies and freeze. Again, it really only takes five minutes longer than it takes to cook the meat. There is a video on the website and the lady in it keeps talking and talking and so it takes her 40 minutes to do what should take 10-15 minutes.
The website says the supplement is 40 CDN, but my vet charged me 36 including the taxes. It makes 20 kg of food (44 pounds). The cod liver oil was pricey at 9 bucks, but it will last forever since only using a few teaspoons at a time.
Hi Trish. This home cooked is truly one , if not the best route to take. But in my opinion , I would consult with a nutritionist like Sabine. Just as an example , you were talking about cod liver oil. Here is what Sabine says about it. "Cod liver oil contains high amounts of the fat soluble vitamins A and D, which can build up to toxic
levels in the body. Commercial foods are already more than sufficiently fortified. It is far more
beneficial to supplement a good quality fish body oil," I would be very leary of anything sold through a vet's office or anyone selling their special additive.

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Hiya Dave,
I feel comfortable with this recipe guide as the author is also a nutritionist and my vet also recommended her book. I really like my vet and trust him. My mom has been going to him for a long time as have friends of mine and he's the chair of our local humane society and does a ton of volunteer stuff for the animals. He strikes me as the kind that really cares for what he does. Also, they had to special order the supplement; it's not something they have on their shelf or generally 'push' to sell. It's the supplement that completes the recipes as far as being completely balanced if the recipe is followed and the supplement added. The vet also charged less for the supplement than what the supplier listed the price at, so I dont think the vet is making any money on the deal at all, which is probably a bit unusual. I do like these recipes too because they are really easy to make and don't take a lot of time to make and aren't real expensive. Sammy seems pretty fussy and he's eating a bunch of them so that's good in and of itself It really is a learning process that is ongoing and I may change my mind down the road, but it seems nutritionally sound and balanced from everything I've read, etc. and Sam likes it...for the moment anyway, fussy little guy that he is, so we're going to stick with this for now and see how it goes.
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Hi Trish, if you're happy , that's all that matters. I just do not like vets talking about or recommending food. Not very many of them know much about nutrition. The statistics speak for themselves. Not too many of the foods that the vets sell make the top 50 if there is such a thing.

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Ya, it always struck me as odd why the food that the vets sell cost twice as much as anything you buy in the grocery store or pet supply store and I always wondered if it really is any better. You know, they say you get what you pay for, but really...twice as much??? It's kinda funny, not funny ha-ha, but, well you know, just how much there is to learn about having a dog, between what to feed, how to train, what to train, where it should sleep, crate, no crate, etc. etc. etc. and there's sooooooo much conflicting information out there on line. I think that everyone just needs to do their research and go with whatever makes sense to them. Now that we seem to have the food issue all set it's time to try to work on basic training, sit, stay, down, come. It's really a full-time job getting doggy education...but the sloppy kisses sure are worth it.
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Dave, where do I go to read what Sabine thinks? Is there a book you recommend for making the foods and getting the supplements. It is so confusing, and I don't think even the best commercial Kibble is good..(can be wrong).

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