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Raw Food Portion Size & Water Intake

Some background first...Eli is a picky eater. I've become very frustrated by him turning his nose up at expensive kibble. I've tried mixing in wet food and also cooked chicken but eventually he becomes bored. He won't eat and while that's not a huge problem I do wind up throwing away a lot of expensive food. After doing some research I've decided the problem is that he needs variety as he's a good eater when he likes something and a very food motivated dog.

Yesterday I drove 45 min from my home to a specialty store that carries a large variety of upscale kibble, canned and raw food. I purchased Acana kibble (sibling to Orijen), Beef & Liver flavored wet food (not a complete meal but an enhancement to dry kibble), Instinct canned food, and Bravo raw food patties. You can imagine how much I spent! Acana kibble with wet food mixed was a bit of a bust. He only ate about a 1/4cup. I will try again this evening. The Bravo raw food patty went over like blockbusters this morning (I personally think it's gross but, hey, I'm not the one eating it). My concern was that the patty was 1/4 lb and the recommendation for his size (almost 10 lbs) is two patties per day. Also, the owner told me I can mix up raw in the morning or evening with a serving of kibble for the other meal (preferrably at night so his tummy stays full longer). Two questions:

Does the raw portion size sound reasonable? I don't want to overfeed but it seems so small!
Does anyone mix raw food one meal with kibble the other? How does this affect water intake? Should I just leave water out?
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I can't answer any of your raw food questions, because we don't do raw. However, I think one of your problems may be that you are just expecting Eli to eat too much food in general! Kodi weighs 16 1/2 lbs, is in good weight, and eats a rounded 1/4c measure of kibble a day. That's it! Eli may not be eating more because he doesn't need more!


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Karen - You may be on to something. Because Eli is a very food motivated dog and never says no to snacks (Happy Hip chicken breast strips and freeze dried liver) I expect that he should eat 1/2 cup of dry kibble twice a day. Sounds like Kodi eats much less and maintains a larger weight. Could be the mother in me who expects her kids to clean their plates every meal. Consequently, my youngest is a bit of a plumper. As others respond I would love to know how much your dogs eat and their weight. Thanks!
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At two 1/4-pound patties a day that's 8 ounces of food. Everything I have read would indicate that a 10-pound dog should be eating only about 4 ounces a day, so only one patty, unless he is extremely active. feed 2% of body weight if overweight, 3% to maintain, more to fatten up....puppies need more. Here is a calculator http://www.raw4dogs.com/calculate.htm also, I think the amount of food i.e. the actual food weight varies depending on the nutritional content of the food. I have found with the home cooked recipes that each recipe has a different amount to be fed so that one recipe will say to feed 300 grams whereas another recipe will say 250 so I can only guess its based on whats in it and how many calories each recipe has.
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Thanks Trish. Great link. So my next question is - at which age would you no longer consider your Hav a puppy?
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Thanks Trish. Great link. So my next question is - at which age would you no longer consider your Hav a puppy?
That one I've no idea on. I would think though that if you call your vet that the receptionist should be able to ask the vet, as I think it would vary from breed to breed, and they should be able to call you back with an answer.
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They sort of adjust their water intake naturally when you switch, but it may be a few weeks before that happens, I'd rather have an overly hydrated dog than a dehydrated dog, but then again...butt baths, lol You should consider probiotics, it might make the switching of the food and digestion easier for you both.

Don't fall into the catering for the picky eater crap like I did, well, and like many of us do. How can you not worry about a puppy not eating, right? lol They WILL eat eventually and I think havanese are dogs that don't eat just to eat, they are the most picky breed I have ever seen or heard of in my life. All my non-havanese friends are astonished at the food she'll turn down (human and fancy dog treats)....

I wasted so much $ the first year with her picky eating and fasting for days. My neighbor probably didn't have to buy dog food or treats that year, I gave them so much..

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I use a different raw, and calories can vary, but with Nature's Variety Raw Medallions, (4 Medallions equals 1/4 pound,) Tucker gets two and a half medallions (each medallion equals an ounce,) a day, plus 1/8 to 1/4 cup kibble throughout the day as something to crunch or treats. He's about right in body weight, according to the vets, (14 lbs.) He'd eat twice as much raw if I let him, he LOVES his raw!

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right now Tillie is on and has been on since she started eating "Taste of the Wild" kibble. She isn't very picky (thanks goodness!!!) but she is a very light eater, at nearly 7 months old she eats about a 1/3 of a cup a day... plus some training treats.
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Thanks Trish. Great link. So my next question is - at which age would you no longer consider your Hav a puppy?
I was told by both my vet and breeder to transition Kodi to adult food around 1 year. I think this is a lot more critical with a fast growing large breed dog than it is with our little guys, though.


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