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post #1 of 49 (permalink) Old 06-13-2012, 05:32 PM Thread Starter
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Murphy is now on a raw diet.

I put Murphy on a raw diet over two weeks ago and the results have been great! His first food was TOTW kibble but had a a couple bladder infections so he was switched to Origin kibble which I would moisten with water and add a bit of cooked chicken. But, he always had horrific breath and gas with TOTW and it got worse with Origin. I would brush his teeth and then he would eat again and the smell would come back. Murphy was also getting pickier about his food and not wanting to eat it.

I was told that the smell could be from the kibble fermenting as it was digesting in his system, and to try a raw diet to help with this. I was given a sample of K9 Naturals frozen Lamb feast. Murphy just loved it! I bought the Lamb Feast and Chicken Feast. It is amazing that Murphy now has NO odors or smells!!! Yeah!!! Some mornings I substitute a scrambled egg mixed with a frozen vege mix that my pet store also sells. Murphy will usually get a marrow bone on those days.

One other benefit of a raw diet is very small, not smelly poops. Everyone in the family is happy with that.

I did some research on K9 Naturals and am happy with the product. They carry the frozen product and also the dehydrated version at our local store so I am going to get some dehydrated to try for camping and boarding trips.

I cannot believe I have a dog on a raw diet, but it has been a very good change for Murphy and that is what really counts!
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I wish I could get it close to where I live. I'd try it too! No store close to me (within 25-50 miles) carries it and I worry about keeping it frozen if ordering online.)
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Why not just buy at the grocery store, cut into portions and freeze. I am not being smart alecky, I just don't get buying raw dog meat that has been frozen. Do they add any vitamins or anything to the frozen product? I haven't seen any because the nearest pet store is over a 100 miles from here. I just give Rosie raw meat that I cut up into bite size pieces. If I am cooking I give her what we are eating or what I have put up for her. But I also leave out kibble for her to self-feed. I worry about the vitamins and the kibble has them added. You can always tell if Rosie had bone to eat as the poop is white or nearly white. I read somewhere that feral dogs had white poop because of the bones they ate that are in the little animals they eat. UGH.

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Why not just buy at the grocery store, cut into portions and freeze. I am not being smart alecky, I just don't get buying raw dog meat that has been frozen. Do they add any vitamins or anything to the frozen product? I haven't seen any because the nearest pet store is over a 100 miles from here. I just give Rosie raw meat that I cut up into bite size pieces. If I am cooking I give her what we are eating or what I have put up for her. But I also leave out kibble for her to self-feed. I worry about the vitamins and the kibble has them added. You can always tell if Rosie had bone to eat as the poop is white or nearly white. I read somewhere that feral dogs had white poop because of the bones they ate that are in the little animals they eat. UGH.
That is a good question Lucile. I like the K9 Naturals because it is easy, convenient and has all these ingredients in it - meat, blood, ground bone, seasonal fruits and vegetables, heart, liver, kidney, green tripe, eggs, garlic
and Green Lipped mussel. I don't have to worry about balancing out the diet, and feel that this is a high quality product that I feel comfortable with. The pet store that I get this product from is close by so it is convenient for me. I have a supplement called good digestion, but have not used it since I switched to raw as it seems to be balanced, and the digestion issues have gone away.

I am sure it would probably be less expensive if I got the ingredients and mixed it myself, but I like the convenience of the premixed food. Since I only have one havanese, the cost is not too bad. If I had a large dog, I might re-assess the pre-packaged raw.

And, yes, Murphy's poop sometimes is white as they add ground bone. I am happy it is ground - I always inspect the food and so far have not found large chunks of bone. I have seen chunks of veges though!
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we have a couple homegrown raw pet food companies here in vancouver. this company makes frozen patties and i'm tempted to try.

http://irrawsistiblepetfoods.com/products/dogs/

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I've been feeding Riley raw for a few months now. I alternate between K9 naturals, Primal and Nature's Variety. Working very well for him. He also had bad breath which disappeared after switching to raw. The cost is not too bad with just one small dog. I recently started giving him some raw meaty bones...chicken necks and thighs. That's going well too. I especially like that these products are nutritionally complete without the addition of synthetic vitamins.
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The commercial pre-made raw patties are very convenient. That is what I fed Louis for the first few months. Now he is eating raw food I prepare myself.

The Nature's Variety and similar companies follow the BARF style (Biologically Appropriate Raw Foods) of raw feeding where it includes veggies and fruits along with the appropriate ratios of muscle, bone, and organs. I would have no problems with feeding Nature's Variety but with a 70lb dog, it's just not economical for my wallet. For a 13lb dog, the pre-made raw is a good deal!

Prey model raw excludes veggies and fruits and it is strictly carnivorous. There are companies that make patties that follow prey model style. I just pick different meats and eyeball the ratio of muscle, bone and organs. If you decide to give actual meat, you can give a little in addition to the patties. If you decide to strictly go with butchered meat - you need to make sure the ratio is around 80% muscle meat, 10% bone, and 10% organ (with 5% of that being liver). Don't just give your dog chicken necks all day long thinking this is a raw diet. If there is too much organ meat, the poop will be runny, if there is too much muscle, the poop will be soft, if there is too much bone, the poop will be powdery. Because of this "guessing" game - many people choose to start off with commercially prepared raw like Nature's Variety because it takes the measuring work out of it. In addition to the NV patties, you can also give your dog raw meaty bones for them to chew on for teeth cleaning benefits (avoid weight bearing bones though, these are too hard).

Some people complain that on a strictly prey model raw diet, the poops from a little dog are TOO small, and sometimes they have trouble eliminating (the poops are too small and firm), so adding a bit more muscle meat will help. Or, if you aren't a prey model purist, than you can add some sweet potato to the diet.

Louis loves his raw meals. He doesn't stink, poops are small and non-smelly, and his teeth look great!

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Glad to see you posting again!!!
LOL, you said, you never thought you'd have a dog on raw ... well, I NEVER imagined I'd be homecooking for mine!! LOL We do what we have to do to make sure our babies are healthy and happy!! I've been homecooking for over a year now and would love to figure out how much $$ I've saved AND I feel so good knowing I am doing the best thing for her!!
GOOD for you!!! Murphy's a lucky boy.. handsome too!

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Thanks for sharing your experience. We are going to transition Chewy on to raw next week.
I wish I had done it sooner.
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Congratulations on your decision! You have done a great thing for your dog!

Mine have been on Raw since the day they came home.
I buy them pre-mixed (Oma's Pride) Turkey and Chicken and when the price was lower, Beef mix too. I add things like Cocunut Oil, Olive Oil (Alternate) once a week. Egg every 2-3 days, as well as Probiotics and O'Paws Suplement.
I also give them Chicken, Turkey or Duck Necks every morning (the mix is in the afternoon). Pork Neck bones when I can find them and in general, anything that is on sale or whatever meat I am cooking, I always give them scraps when I am cleaning/seasoning it.

I can not tell you the diffeence since I have never fed them kibble but I mostly visit the vet for routine things and rarely have to give butt baths. Their poops dries within a day and it doesn't smell at all.

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