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Making Kodi's food using Honest Kitchen

In another thread, I said I'd post a new thread showing how I make Kodi's food using HK. I make it once every 3 weeks or so, and (other than freezing time) it takes me less than an hour. I'd spend more time going to the pet store for another bag of kibble! It's really easy and he LOVES it!!!

I use HK Preference, which is the one without meat. From everything I've read, the meat used in the complete forms of HK is good quality, but I don't see why I should pay the premium for freeze dried meat, when it is easy to supply my own. I have organic chicken breasts ground specially for me at Whole Foods most of the time. If I can't get over there, (we don't have a whole foods close) I will buy antibiotic and hormone free chicken or turkey (both are easy to get these days, right in the regular grocery stores) and use that. But you can use any meat source you want. Just choose something without a high fat content.

Here is the method I use. I cook the meat through with a little water mixed in to keep it from sticking. You can also use raw meat, (which is what HK is actually designed for) I just don't because of my own personal immune system problems. Then I mix in the rehydrated HK. (don't cook that, or you will remove nutrients.

I spray the muffin tin with a bit of organic cooking spray to make the "muffins" slide out more easily, and pop them in the freezer for a couple of hours, then store them in Zip Lok bags. One muffin is one meal. I defrost them in the microwave for 1 minute, which defrosts them, but doesn't cook them any further. (which would remove nutrients)

Easy Peasy! You've NEVER seen a dog eat faster than they will on this stuff!
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Karen, I have tried HK but it left a lot of green debris in his beard that was hard to get out. Do you have to issue? It seems too simple of a solution to be able to resolve it by having the food in a muffin shape instead of mixing it each meal in his bowl...? But, I wonder...

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Maybe it is the fact that the meat is more substantial in the way you are doing it than if it were freeze dried...

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This sounds great! Karen - would you mind saying how much meat and how much Preference you use? Do you add any supplements? Thanks!

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Interesting. I tried the trial paks for Reilly and he loved it. Adding the meat looks easy enough and so nutritious. I too would like to know how much meat and how much preference you use to make those portions shown. Also, about what size is the "muffin",compared to say, 14/-1/2 cup food? And also any supplements needed to add? thanks.
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Karen, I have tried HK but it left a lot of green debris in his beard that was hard to get out. Do you have to issue? It seems too simple of a solution to be able to resolve it by having the food in a muffin shape instead of mixing it each meal in his bowl...? But, I wonder...
It isn't muffin shaped when he eats it… that's only when it's frozen. It's just a convenient way to store it in meal-sized servings. But I haven't had any problem with it getting stuck in his beard, either. Do other wet foods get caught in his hair?

I wouldn't want to mix it just before feeding, because I want all the water to be absorbed. I don't like the idea of dried food possibly swelling in his gut and causing problems.


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Maybe it is the fact that the meat is more substantial in the way you are doing it than if it were freeze dried...
Could be. I haven't tried the HK that includes freeze dried meat, but I did try the Sojo's version. The meat pieces in the Sojo's seemed to take an alarmingly long time to fully re-hydrate. (there were some hard pieces still after I left it soaking over night)


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In another thread, I said I'd post a new thread showing how I make Kodi's food using HK. I make it once every 3 weeks or so, and (other than freezing time) it takes me less than an hour. I'd spend more time going to the pet store for another bag of kibble! It's really easy and he LOVES it!!!

I use HK Preference, which is the one without meat. From everything I've read, the meat used in the complete forms of HK is good quality, but I don't see why I should pay the premium for freeze dried meat, when it is easy to supply my own. I have organic chicken breasts ground specially for me at Whole Foods most of the time. If I can't get over there, (we don't have a whole foods close) I will buy antibiotic and hormone free chicken or turkey (both are easy to get these days, right in the regular grocery stores) and use that. But you can use any meat source you want. Just choose something without a high fat content.

Here is the method I use. I cook the meat through with a little water mixed in to keep it from sticking. You can also use raw meat, (which is what HK is actually designed for) I just don't because of my own personal immune system problems. Then I mix in the rehydrated HK. (don't cook that, or you will remove nutrients.

I spray the muffin tin with a bit of organic cooking spray to make the "muffins" slide out more easily, and pop them in the freezer for a couple of hours, then store them in Zip Lok bags. One muffin is one meal. I defrost them in the microwave for 1 minute, which defrosts them, but doesn't cook them any further. (which would remove nutrients)

Easy Peasy! You've NEVER seen a dog eat faster than they will on this stuff!
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This sounds great! Karen - would you mind saying how much meat and how much Preference you use? Do you add any supplements? Thanks!
I make 2 lbs worth of meat, and the amount of HK they say to mix with that at a time. (the directions are on the box)

He does get supplements, but they aren't "nutritional" supplements. HK plus lean meat are a nutritionally balanced diet. He gets a fish oil capsule (Nordic Naturals) and Glycoflex II to protect his joints because he works hard, Plaque-Off for his teeth, and probiotics.

He gets half an egg 2-3 times a week, just because he adores them, and they are good food too! And MOST of his training treats are Nature's Variety freeze dried raw bites, so they are good nutrition too. (we do use higher value, less nutritious "junk food" like cheese, sausage and turkey meatballs for reward at trials! )


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Interesting. I tried the trial paks for Reilly and he loved it. Adding the meat looks easy enough and so nutritious. I too would like to know how much meat and how much preference you use to make those portions shown. Also, about what size is the "muffin",compared to say, 14/-1/2 cup food? And also any supplements needed to add? thanks.
OK, I just pulled out the box. I measured the ground chicken the first time, and found that 1 lb is about 2 1/2 cups. To that, (as directed on the package) I add 2 1/2 c HK Preference and 3 3/4c water. 2 lbs of ground chicken plus the appropriate amount of HK makes 24, half cup "muffins". (which fit in 2 gallon freezer bags)

Remember that this is "wet food", so per cup, contains more water and less "food" than kibble does. Kodi ate a scant 1/4c of kibble per meal, and eats a about a 1/2c "muffin". If I found this wasn't enough to maintain weight, I'd go to the 6 per tray "giant" muffin tins and just not fill them completely. Then you'd probably have to measure the food into the tins before freezing, (I can just heap as much in as will fit in each muffin cup, and know it's about right for him. )

You WILL have to play around with the amounts until you know exactly how much they need to maintain a good weight. Kodi goes for chiro every 6 weeks (again, just maintenance because of all the strenuous work he does) so I can weigh him every time he's there, and make minor adjustments as needed. I find that he needs a little more food in the summer, when he's spending a lot of time running outdoors on hike with us. Otherwise, he can be a little robby by the end of the summer!

And as I said in another post, there is no need for any supplements for straight nutritional purposes… HK plus lean meat is a balanced diet. And all the ingredients are USA sourced and human food grade.

It's not a "cheap" way to feed a dog… I am quite sure that cooking from scratch would be less expensive. If he needed a specially designed diet for health reasons, like Tammy's Tillie, I'd probably bite the bullet and do that. But this is MUCH easier, fits our life style well, and he does great on it. On Dr. Becker's sliding scale of food quality, I think this fits somewhere between commercial freeze dried raw and home cooked… Pretty darned hit up the scale.

Oh, Also, I get HK (and my cat food) from Pet Food Direct… the cheapest source I've found. If I can figure out exactly how much I need to order how often, and put it on automatic delivery, it will be even cheaper. And if you spend over a certain amount each time, (I think it's $75?) shipping is free.


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