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anyone feed Bravo Balance?

Hi All: I know it seems NV is the choice of most for raw medallions...has any one tried the Bravo Balanc? in doing my research to help Cash lose a few lbs and quell his hunger... I found that it has half the calories of Nature's Variety raw. (which means Cash could get twice as much) But wondering If anyone has tried it. What the issues might be? if any.

Here is their site

http://www.bravorawdiet.com/balance/index.html

the calories aren't on the site but I called.

per 4 once burger

beef, 135 cal
chicken, 125 cal
turkey, 140 cal

NV is 65 an once

the only thing that kind of freaks me out is there is no turkey meat in their turkey formula, just turkey necks and organs. But what I like about them in writing anyway is there are simpler ingredients than the NV.

What are your thoughts on trying this for Cash.




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Hi Missy,

Looks pretty decent I think.. Is it a new company, or have they been around for some time? I have to wonder though how their raw food is half the caloric value of the NV? Atleast 95% of the Bravo 'burger' or NV 'medallion' would be meat/organs/bone.. so how is this possible to be such a great difference? anyone have any ideas????????

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not sure... looks like there is 15% more moisture in the bravo... and no added oil or flax seed.

here's a comparison chicken to chicken

Quote:
NV Chicken Formula
RAW FROZEN DIET FOR DOGS AND CATS

* Complete and balanced for all life stages
* 95% chicken, raw ground bone, turkey & liver
* Grain-free, with wholesome fruits and vegetables
* Made with human grade ingredients
* Antibiotic-free, hormone-free chicken and turkey

SIZES AVAILABLE: A Taste of Raw: 0.75 lb (approx. 12 medallions), Medallions: 3 lb (approx. 48 medallions), Patties: 6 lb (12 patties), Chubs: 2 lb single chubs, 12 lb box (contains 6 single chubs)

INGREDIENTS: Chicken, Raw Ground Chicken Bone, Turkey, Turkey Liver, Turkey Heart, Apples, Carrots, Butternut Squash, Ground Flaxseed, Chicken Eggs, Broccoli, Lettuce, Spinach, Dried Kelp, Apple Cider Vinegar, Parsley, Honey, Salmon Oil, Olive Oil, Blueberries, Alfalfa Sprouts, Persimmons, Duck Eggs, Pheasant Eggs, Quail Eggs, Inulin, Rosemary, Sage, Clove. Visit the Ingredient Glossary to learn about each ingredient.

Animal feeding tests using AAFCO procedures substantiate that Nature’s Variety Chicken Formula Raw Frozen Diet provides complete and balanced nutrition for all canine life stages. Nature’s Variety Chicken Formula Raw Frozen Diet is formulated to meet the nutritional levels established by the AAFCO Cat Food Nutrient Profiles for All Life Stages.

INSTRUCTIONS AND FEEDING GUIDE: Click here for important food safety handling information. If raw diets are fed as the sole food, feed 1-1/2% to 2% of body weight daily. For more detailed feeding information based on your pet's weight and activity level, please visit our Feeding Guide.

CALORIES 65 per oz

GUARANTEED ANALYSIS
Crude Protein (min): 13.0%
Crude Fat (min): 6.0%
Crude Fiber (max): 2.0%
Moisture (max): 68.0%

OTHER NUTRITIONAL DATA
Carbohydrates: 2.05%
Linoleic Acid (Omega 6): 0.999%
Linolenic Acid (Omega 3): 0.249%
Arachidonic Acid: 0.115%
VITAMINS
Vitamin A: 12161.55 IU/kg
Thiamin: 1.60 mg/kg
Riboflavin (Vitamin B2): 2.39 mg/kg
Niacin (Vitamin B3): 36.54 mg/kg
Pantothenic Acid: 10.12 mg/kg
Pyridoxine (Vitamin B6): 2.02 mg/kg
Folate: 408.85 mg/kg
Vitamin B12: 0.03 mg/kg
Vitamin D: 240.00 IU/kg
Vitamin E: 9.60 IU/kg MINERALS
Calcium: 0.320%
Copper: 1.60 mg/kg
Iron: 145.04 mg/kg
Magnesium: 0.026%
Manganese: 2.40 mg/kg
Phosphorus: 0.256%
Potassium: 0.192%
Selenium: 0.127 mg/kg
Sodium: 0.067%
Zinc: 24.00 mg/kg

AMINO ACIDS
Arginine: 0.802%
Cystine: 0.352%
Histidine: 0.322%
Isoleucine: 0.557%
Leucine: 0.867%
Lysine: 0.929%
Methionine: 0.300%
Phenylalanine: 0.467%
Threonine: 0.490%
Tyrosine: 0.375%
Tryptophan: 0.129%
Valine: 0.589%
Taurine: 0.064%
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Premium Chicken
Bravo! Balance Premium Chicken Formula offers human-grade quality, hormone-free chicken raised and processed in the USA. This simple protein is an ideal food for gentle stomachs or for pets just starting on a raw diet.

Bravo! Balance Premium ChickenClick on the Bravo! Balance meat below for a brief description, ingredients, guaranteed analysis and nutritional analysis.

> Premium Chicken
> Premium Beef
> Premium Turkey
> Variety Pack

Packaging & Size Options
Frozen Burgers
Packaged in boxes of 12 4oz Burgers
Ingredients

chicken, chicken frames, chicken organs (liver, gizzards, hearts), green beans, broccoli, acorn squash, salt, potassium chloride, vitamin E, zinc oxide, copper sulfate, ferrous sulfate, manganous oxide, potassium iodide, vitamin D

Guaranteed Analysis
Frozen Tubes & Burgers
Crude Protein (min%) 15.4%
Crude Fiber (max%) 0.36%
Acid Hydrolysis Fat (min%) 6.10%
Moisture (max%) 75.14%

Nutritional Analysis*
Nutrient per Burger

Units

Amount
Ash % 2.03
Calcium % 0.33
Chloride % 0.21
Iodine ppm 1.99
Iron ppm 23
Isoleucine % 0.73
Leucine % 1.30
Magnesium % 0.028
Manganese ppm 3
Copper ppm 3
Phosphorus % 0.30
Potassium % 0.27
Vitamin B6 mg/lb 2.42
Selenium (Total by Hydride) ppm 0.08
Sodium % 0.12
Vitamin B1 - Thiamine Hydrochloride mg/kg 2.46
Vitamin A - (as Retinol only) IU/100 g 975
Vitamin D IU/lb 112
Vitamin E (Synthetic) IU/lb 11.5
Vitamin B12 mg/lb 0.01
Zinc ppm 51
Sulfur % 0.15
Myristoleic (C14:1 Cis) g/100g 0.01
Myristoledic (C14:1 Trans) g/100g <0.01
Palmitoleic (C16:1 Cis) g/100g 0.32
Palmitelaidic (C16:1 Trans) g/100g 0.03
Oleic (C18:1 Cis) g/100g 2.36
Eliadic (C18:1 Trans) g/100g <0.01
Linoleic (C18:2 Cis) g/100g 1.08
Linolelaidic (C18:2 Trans) g/100g <0.01
Alpha linolenic (C18:3 Alpha) g/100g 0.08
Gamma linolenic (C18:3 Gamma) g/100g 0.02
11-14-17 Eicosatrienoic (C20:3) g/100g <0.01
Alanine % 1.14
Arginine % 1.02
Aspartic acid % 1.59
Vitamin A as Beta-Carotene IU/100g 63.0
Capric (C10:0) g/100g <0.01
Undecanoic (Internal) g/100g <0.01
Lauric (C12:0) g/100g 0.04
Tridecanoic (C13:0) g/100g <0.01
Myristic (C14:0) g/100g 0.06
Pentadecanoic (C15:0) g/100g 0.01
Palmitic (C16:0) g/100g 1.42
Heptadecanoic (C17:0) g/100g 0.01
10-Heptadecanoic (C17:1) g/100g <0.01
Stearic (C18:0) g/100g 0.45
Nonadecanoic (C19:0) g/100g <0.01
Arachidic (C20:0) g/100g 0.01
11-Eicosenoic (C20:1) g/100g 0.02
11-14 Eicosadienoic (C20:2) g/100g 0.01
Homo-gamma Linolenic (C20:2) g/100g 0.02
Arachidonic (C20:4) g/100g 0.10
Eicosapentaenoic (C20:5) g/100g <0.01
Heneicosanoic (C21:0) g/100g <0.01
Behenic (C22:0) g/100g <0.01
Erucic (C22:1) g/100g <0.01
Docosadienoic (C22:2) g/100g <0.01
Docosapentaenoic (C22:5) g/100g 0.01
Docosahexaenoic (C22:6) g/100g 0.01
Tricosanoic (C23:0) g/100g <0.01
Lignoceric (C24:0) g/100g <0.01
Nervonic (C24:1) g/100g <0.01
Butyric (C4:0) g/100g <0.01
Caproic (C6:0) g/100g <0.01
Caprylic (C8:0) g/100g <0.01
Cystine % 0.25
Glutamic acid % 2.33
Glycine % 0.99
Histidine % 0.50
Total Lycine % 1.31
Methionine % 0.42
Omega 3 Fatty Acids g/100g 0.10
Omega 6 Fatty Acids g/100g 1.19
Omega 9 Fatty Acids g/100g 2.37
Phenylalanine % 0.76
Proline % 0.75
Serine % 0.74
Taurine % 0.06
Threonine % 0.74
Monounsaturated Fats g/100g 2.73
Polyunsaturated Fats g/100g 1.33
Tyrosine % 0.49
Tryptophan % 0.25
Saturated Fat (Total) g/100g 2.00
Trans Fatty Acids g/100g 0.04
Valine % 0.69
Vitamin K (Trans-K1) mg/lb <0.045
Biotin mg/lb 0.10
Choline Chloride mg/lb 359
Folic Acid mg/lb 0.22
Pantothenic Acid mg/lb 8.44
Riboflavin mg/lb 1.80
Niacin mg/lb 35.6
*There may be some minor differences between these values and those on the packaging due to timing of printing and final testing.



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Yeah, it could be the olive oil as that would be pretty high in cals.. plus the flax..
I'm not even feeding the NV anymore since the price has sky rocketed.. I feed pretty much only Healthy Paws and sometimes Urban Carnivore, neither of these have flax..

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I haven't seem those brands here in Bean Town. I just did a price comparison...it would be a whole dollar more a day to feed the Bravo (because you have to feed more) and I was just told we all have to take a week without pay to avoid layoffs...YIKES. No more organic chicken at 21 dollars a bag. I might just add some ground chicken or turkey to stretch it like Sabine suggested... you know, I used to do that when I was cooking the medallions--- I would add a piece of steak for texture and when I stopped cooking the raw, I stopped adding that and that is when all poop eating started and he seemed so hungry...hmmmmm...he was always a pudge though)

but here is a rough price breakdown feeding the two boys (jasper only gets raw at night) I may start getting the NV eight once burgers... a little cheaper.

NV medallions: 8 per day /1 3 lb 48 per bag is = @$15 (six days) $2.5 per day

NV burgers: 1 per day 1/6lb bag 12 per bag = @$27 (twelve days) $2.25 per day

Bravo burgers 3 per day 1/3lb box 12/per box = @$13 (4 days) $3.25 per day




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