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post #1 of 29 (permalink) Old 06-19-2009, 04:52 PM Thread Starter
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Need Recipe for Stew!

I want to supplement fresh food on top of the kibble. Any good recipes we have hidden away?

Must be well balanced with meats/vegetables/starches/calcium....post the recipes. Dexter is waiting....

I am hating the smell of wet dog food!



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Just my opinion, but here goes: I don't think you need to supplement with calcium if you are using a balanced kibble and you are only 'topping it' (less than, say 40%). I've read that most kibble companies put alot of calcium in there b/c of the phlates in the carbs and that topping with meat won't offset the balance. Of course, you could always ask the company. This could be mis-information on the web.

Continuing on with my opinion: If you are using a kibble with grains, then I don't think you need to add any more in. If I were feeding a normal kibble (not one of the low carb, high protein ones), then I think I would just top with plain meat. I could do this to an extent with my guys, but if I were to add too, too much meat, then I suspect I would need to add in veggies simply b/c my two only have firm poops within a certain range of meat: veggie/carb ratio. But generally speaking, with a normal kibble, I think you will see the best results with just adding real meat. You could top with cooked or raw meat - just don't add bones -- just plain meat. This could include eggs and cottage cheese - just make sure and get low sodium. I liked using ricotta cheese, but it is more expensive, but it is also better balanced. You could also top with plain yogurt.

Having said all that, if you really feel that you want a receipe, I can tell you the basics of what I do. But, I would find out about the calcium in the kibble, simply b/c I think dogs may be like people, in that they can only absorb so much calcium per meal - and the excess ends up somewhere that you might not want it to be.

When I homecook, I do this: (I have big dogs, so takes lots of food).
10 lbs ground meat, 5 lbs veggies/carbs. The veggies and carbs must be cooked very well b/c the dogs can't break them down very well. Fresh veggies take longer to cook than frozen ones. I also make sure the veggies are not in big chunks. I use only a limited amount of the crucifer veggies b/c of some reason I can't recall at the moment - stayiing less than 10%. I do not use grains, as my guys have grain allergies. Grains are high in phylates that block the calcium uptake, so since I am not using grains, I then don't have to go overboard on the calcium. I will use veggies, potatoes, etc.

I add in 3% of beef liver or 4% of chicken liver - I limit it b/c of the high amount of Vit A.

Since I don't feed kibble, I do add in calcium carbonate. I buy the NOW brand from iherb as it's cheap and the carbonate form does not bother my girls very sensitive stomach (the citrate does). To get the amount, I plug in the figures at nutritiondata - dot- com. If I am in a hurry, I just plug in the meat amount, adjust to one ounce. I will multiply the amount needed by the amount of meat. 16 ounces in a lb x 10 lbs of meat = 160. So, whatever figure I get, I multiply by 160. I go by the RAW figures as it is the RAW amount I start with and the final cooked amount will vary. I scroll down and there is the phosphorus and calcium. You are adding calcium to offset the amount of phosphours. I subtract the calcium from the phosphorus and then use that figure to multiply by 160 -- if using my amounts listed above (or whatever is needed for the amount of meat). I then multiply this by 1.15 and then that figure is the amount of calcium I need to add. Then I figure out how many teaspoons I might need for the whole batch. (teaspoons - not tablespoons). You could also just go by the phospourus amount and just match it and not multiply by 1.15 and you would be close. The 1.15 is what I personally worked out for my guys based on their needs. You could use anwhere from 1:1 calcium : phosphorus ratio to a 1.2:1 ratio (this is not 12 to one, but 1.2 to one ) to stay in a generally safe range. The amount of calcium needed to offset the liver is also calculated, but it generally means I just add in a pinch more.

Was that confusing or what? And it wasn't a 'receipe' like you asked, so I'll be reading what others have to post for actual 'receipes" where it's all figured out.

If I were just topping the balanced kibble, then I would make it easy on myself and just add cooked ground meat that I have pureed in a blender and frozen in small batches. That's easy and tasty for the dogs. Or top with yougurt, eggs, cheese, canned jack mackeral or salmon, etc. Super easy this way.

But, again, I am sure others will come along with easy receipes, and I know I didn't really answer your question. Once again, I was in a talkative mood -- hope you didn't mind too much.

Now, off to feed my guys................
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I make my own canned topping but i dont put that much into it as I feed a kibble that I think is good and probably should be eaten on it's own. It is more just getting my dog (one in particular-Dash) to love food and gobble what I put down when I put down and he does like we starve him. I bought a mini crockpot for the dogs and each week, I make something for them. I split it in two or three and freeze the rest for another time- Belle is on raw so it is just for Dora and mainly Dash. So like this week is chicken breast, green beans and a little whole wheat cous cous. I switch meat, veggies around and sometimes have carbs and sometimes not. Just really whatever I have at the house. Then I take it out of the fridge do a tablespoon or two with some warm water on the kibble and mix it up. I have in the freezer beef with peas and carrots, etc. I really want to start doing some fish once in awhile too as Dash loves when I give him a piece of my fish.

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Linda, if you take a look at the threads in this part of the forum, you'll find a few on recipes.




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I feed kibble and add some cooked meat and cooked/pureed veggies, and a dash of salmon oil. Sometimes a dollop of plain yogurt too.

I homecooked for awhile, based on the recipes in Dr. Pitcairn's book. If you are interested in a variety of recipes, I'd recommend getting his book "Dr. Pitcairn's Complete Guide to Natural Health for Dogs & Cats".

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I guess I am really over thinking the supplement. Dexter is getting fussy about eating his dry kibble and I just want to add a little flavor, so he eats his food.

I know.....if he is hungry ....he will eat.

I have been surfing the net for recipes that I could make and freeze and then thaw out when needed to add to the dry kibble. I guess ...I just want Dexter to enjoy his food. His weight is the same, which I monitor, so he is not gaining lots of weight.

Thanks for all the suggestions....Keep them coming!



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I make my own canned topping but i dont put that much into it as I feed a kibble that I think is good and probably should be eaten on it's own. It is more just getting my dog (one in particular-Dash) to love food and gobble what I put down when I put down and he does like we starve him. I bought a mini crockpot for the dogs and each week, I make something for them. I split it in two or three and freeze the rest for another time- Belle is on raw so it is just for Dora and mainly Dash. So like this week is chicken breast, green beans and a little whole wheat cous cous. I switch meat, veggies around and sometimes have carbs and sometimes not. Just really whatever I have at the house. Then I take it out of the fridge do a tablespoon or two with some warm water on the kibble and mix it up. I have in the freezer beef with peas and carrots, etc. I really want to start doing some fish once in awhile too as Dash loves when I give him a piece of my fish.
Amanda's crockpot meal have made a huge differance with my picky eater (Monte) Chicken & carrots are his favorite, he has even finished his meal a couple times before my pig Ry since I started doing this.

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I am going to get a Crockpot going with some food (I will try Chicken/Vegetables/Starch) and come up with some kind of recipe. I did like the idea of the meatballs that was posted a while back. I hope my dh not think this meal is for him!



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I am going to get a Crockpot going with some food (I will try Chicken/Vegetables/Starch) and come up with some kind of recipe. I did like the idea of the meatballs that was posted a while back. I hope my dh not think this meal is for him!
LOL, Linda. I remember when I left a doggie meatloaf cooling on the stove. My son came up and wondered if it was for dinner!

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I had a list of ingredients for dh to buy and one of them was a whole chicken. I found the chicken in the refrigerator when I woke up and started simmering.

My dh says...................."I guess we are not having the chicken tonight." Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm......Guess not. Dh replies, "I guess I need to buy another."



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