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Canine Nutrition Seminar

I went to a canine nutrition seminar done by a homeopath today and while I have heard most of the stuff. It was a refresher and made me really think about kibble and canned (she is completely against can food- she says it is kibble with more toxins as most of it is cooked in the can). She is completely pro raw (most are though) but she is all about natural everything. No vaccinations, no supplements, no carbs, no veggies. The best part is she had nothing to sell and I was going into thinking what is she gonna try to sell. I have a lot more research to do but I think I am going to go this route with all my dogs. She says she likes nature's variety but feels you are paying a lot more per pound and the carrots and apples are useless. She also said to take my money and put it towards organic (NV only has organic chicken) Her method is just simply following 80/10/10 and she does do fish oil 3 days a week. But nothing else and making sure at least 4/7 days they are eating it themselves (not ground).

They are trying to start a local coop around here to get organic products from one of the local organic farmers. As of right now they get shipments from www.hare-today.com Just thought I would share a snip it of what I talked about today.

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Why is she against vaccinations? I don't know anything about any of this stuff so I'm curious. How do you even find out about these seminars?

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Ann- cause she was from a country that didn't do them so she was against them when she came here. She is actually from Cuba and is a fan of Havs! She feels a lot of our dogs' health problems are directly from vaccines and kibble. It was just at my obedience club. Next time she is doing a vaccination seminar so didn't talk about that as much. Her full time job is treating dogs the natural way and she often has dogs living with her. A lot of it is honestly just common sense from her part and she is very honest about that. But hearing it and hearing it from someone whose full time job is to treat dogs is helpful.

Ironically a lot of the people there are natural themselves- one lady has 7 children and none of them have been vaccinated but each year she takes her dog cause she said he is outside a lot. She came because he has horrible allergies.

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Raw can definitely be a healthy alternative. If you are disciplined ,,have extra time and know how to balance things out it is great. Your dog has to be able to handle it as well. But according to an article I was given , about canned versus kibble , the part about canned is not accurate. Here is part of the article about canned versus kibble.....
One of the most important advantages of wet food is that it is much less processed and often
made from higher quality ingredients than dry kibble. Wet food requires no cooking prior to the
canning process, since it is cooked in the can to create a bacteria free environment. Food
being less processed means it is also more digestible, the body doesn't need to work as hard
to utilize it.

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But then what happens if you had to board them or take them to a groomer who wants proof of vaccinations? I hear lots of talk about not vaccinating kids but chose to do it with mine, it's a tough choice and people feel strongly on both sides. Perhaps it's the same in the dog world?

I just can't do the raw food, it grosses me out. It's all I can do to prepare meat for our family so there's no way I could manage to mix up all that stuff for the dogs. (I beg Gavin to make burgers because ground meat makes me want to .)

What do you feed now?

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Well she would say you are comparing canned crap to bagged crap. She said the only difference is more water and then you get the toxins from cooking it in the can as well. I don't know about quality of ingredients being different as she said most isn't regulated at all. She also thought canned had more preservatives and additives. But she doesn't feed her own dogs either.

Definitely not saying this is for everyone- it was one canine nutritionist opinion.

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Ann- right now Dash is on evo with my home toppings. Dora does a rotation (between raw and evo) and Belle is on NV raw medallions and I do a rmb a few times a week with her. But I really think I am going to take them all over to the raw side soon. I gotta do a lot more reading and be totally prepared first. I have seen her dogs and some of the dogs she has treated over this last year of living here and I like the results I see.

Well I will tell you it isn't cheap but every place I have been involved with takes titers. But I don't board or take my dogs to a groomer but most trainers understand and don't ask for vaccinations and therapy dog will take titers.

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this article goes on and disputes her claim that canned has more preservatives than kibble....

Unlike during the manufacturing of dry food, moisture does not have to be removed from the
ingredients of canned food, so food ingredients like meat, grains, potatoes/sweet potatoes,
pasta, vegetables and fruits remain fairly unchanged. Many ingredients used to manufacture
dry food have already been processed at least once before they are mixed into kibble "dough"
and cooked yet again (rendered meat meals and animal-based fats, dried vegetables and
eggs etc.).
Longer shelf life, less additives and preservatives, no flavoring agents
Canned food generally has a shelf life of two years and more without degradation of nutritional
value, compared to dry food, which can lose much of its nutrient content within a year of
the manufacturing date - depending on how it is preserved. The more natural stabilizers are
used, the shorter the shelf life.
A 1997 study by the University of Illinois Department of Food Science and Human Nutrition
found that canned fruits and vegetables for example provide as much dietary fiber and vitamins
as the same corresponding fresh foods, and in some cases, even more. Fresh foods
begin losing vitamins as soon as they are picked, and often travel long ways.
Although small amounts of preservatives may be present in canned food if they were already
added to specific ingredients used for the formulation, it does not need added preservatives
since the canning process sterilizes and preserves the food in an oxygen-free environment.
There is plenty of meat and fat to make the food palatable without flavoring agents, and since
the can is sealed no humectants are needed to keep moisture in, and no mold inhibitors (like
in semi-moist food products) to prevent the food from becoming moldy.

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Well she would never feed canned or kibble- she hasnt for over 40 years. She said if she couldn't feed raw, she would home cook.

What canned food do you feed your dog Dave?

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Oh yeah , home cooked is very healthy. I give Molly 10 percent of her calories as home cooked. I would probably do more if we home cooked for ourselves regularily and healthy.

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