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Healthy Training Treats

Here is a helpful article from Darwin's suggesting healthy training treats http://www.darwinspet.com/all-natura...-for-your-dog/

Lo siento (I'm sorry) for the advertisement in the article but I think the suggestions are good and I LOVE every one of the treats suggested. Popi let's go do some training so I can get some of those delicious treats!

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I think Darwins would be better served with someone that has credentials in pet nutrition and training writing these sort of articles.

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Yeah, while there's nothing particularly bad about any of the treats they suggest, many are not very effective as "training" treats. And what they describe as "training" is not, really, and CERTAINLY not HOW you use treats when doing "real" training. They describe basic good manners, which I HOPE would have been instilled in the first few weeks of the puppy's life. I don't hand out treats for basic "house manners", nor do I have a treat in my hand, then wait for them to behave.


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Tim and Mae are anti fruit eaters. It's so funny how all our pups like different things. My pups are pretty finicky about their treats, boiled chicken and string cheese top the charts for training here although dad sneaks in bacon and pizza sometimes which I'm sure would be their choice if given that option. The funniest thing that Mae LOVES is edamame, she can't get enough. My training center is stringent about no "crumby" treats which makes sense.

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Yeah, while there's nothing particularly bad about any of the treats they suggest, many are not very effective as "training" treats. And what they describe as "training" is not, really, and CERTAINLY not HOW you use treats when doing "real" training. They describe basic good manners, which I HOPE would have been instilled in the first few weeks of the puppy's life. I don't hand out treats for basic "house manners", nor do I have a treat in my hand, then wait for them to behave.
agree, and what turns me off is this statement of "calm submissive state" . No such thing . It's an oxymoron.

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Tim and Mae are anti fruit eaters. It's so funny how all our pups like different things. My pups are pretty finicky about their treats, boiled chicken and string cheese top the charts for training here although dad sneaks in bacon and pizza sometimes which I'm sure would be their choice if given that option. The funniest thing that Mae LOVES is edamame, she can't get enough. My training center is stringent about no "crumby" treats which makes sense.
Kodi LOVES fruit and veggies…blueberries topping the charts. But most fruit does NOT make good "pocket treats"… way too messy. I do use a handful of blueberries to do a set of quick fronts and finishes in the kitchen from time to time. Pixel, at least so far, doesn't seem to be much of a fruit/veggie lover.

I use a HUGE variety of different training treats, rotating through, so they don't get tired of any one thing. There are a couple that I reserve JUST for trials, because they aren't particularly good for them, and because they are particularly high value. So I want to preserve that value for when we need it. Turkey meatballs and liverwurst are two of these "special" treats. Both are too salty to use regularly or in large amounts.

My current go-to rotation for serious training (subject to change at a moment's notice! ) are pork loin roast, Pet Fresh Vital Grain Free Turkey Formula (which cubes nicely and holds its form) and roast chicken, and a lamb roll that I can get at the agility trials around here with all natural ingredients, no preservatives and grass fed lamb.

Oh, and cheese for certain exercises with Pixel where she needs to be able to find the treat on the training room floor quickly. Kodi is off dairy because of his allergies, so I throw pork roast for him if we need something light colored.


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The point of the article is that bananas, apples, carrots, and blueberries are healthy, natural foods that MIGHT be a good alternative for training SOME doggies whose digestive systems can tolerate these foods in a NON-COMPETITIVE home environment when used on a LIMITED BASIS and are NOT meant to be a SUBSTITUTE FOR A HEALTHY DIET. if I was not being precise enough in my first post.

Mi Vet warned mi Popi that he would prefer that Popi not use cheese and peanut better as training treats. He said that there are canine medical studies that SUGGEST that these high fat foods MAY promote disease in the canine pancreas in SOME doggies. Mi vet also does not like "milkbone" type of treats because of questionable ingredients. Mi vet suggested some natural foods to use as training treats that included the 4 above.

Popi and I are beginners and non-experts. Neither of us have expertise in doggie nutrition. Neither of us were "trained" in good manners during the first few weeks of life. We are best friends and still working very hard together to become as good in manners as some doggies on this forum. We are still learning. Fruits and vegetables are an extremely good, inexpensive, high value training reward for mi while at home....maybe not for all doggies, but certainly for some.

I think the article is helpful and provides good advice (other than the commercialism) for those of us who are beginners and still learning.

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Estamos con ustedes, Ricky y Popi. Comemos muchas frutas y legumbres. Creemos que que el artículo era muy interesante. Muchas gracias por compartirlo con nosotros. No somos expertos tampoco pero estamos siempre aprendiendo.

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agree, and what turns me off is this statement of "calm submissive state" . No such thing . It's an oxymoron.
Yes, WAY too "CM" for me.


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The point of the article is that bananas, apples, carrots, and blueberries are healthy, natural foods that MIGHT be a good alternative for training SOME doggies whose digestive systems can tolerate these foods in a NON-COMPETITIVE home environment when used on a LIMITED BASIS and are NOT meant to be a SUBSTITUTE FOR A HEALTHY DIET. if I was not being precise enough in my first post.

Mi Vet warned mi Popi that he would prefer that Popi not use cheese and peanut better as training treats. He said that there are canine medical studies that SUGGEST that these high fat foods MAY promote disease in the canine pancreas in SOME doggies. Mi vet also does not like "milkbone" type of treats because of questionable ingredients. Mi vet suggested some natural foods to use as training treats that included the 4 above.

Popi and I are beginners and non-experts. Neither of us have expertise in doggie nutrition. Neither of us were "trained" in good manners during the first few weeks of life. We are best friends and still working very hard together to become as good in manners as some doggies on this forum. We are still learning. Fruits and vegetables are an extremely good, inexpensive, high value training reward for mi while at home....maybe not for all doggies, but certainly for some.

I think the article is helpful and provides good advice (other than the commercialism) for those of us who are beginners and still learning.

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Hi Ricky and Popi, the reason I gave the list of treats I use most often is specifically because they ARE good quality, nutritious, species appropriate foods. The "worse" things, I save for once-in-a-while treats. Just like us, something that is not great nutrition is not going to hurt them if given once in a great while, and in moderation. I agree with you vet completely that I don't give my dogs (love saying that! ) "treats" like Milk Bones that have ingredients that I don't fully understand. Milk Bones, honestly make TERRIBLE training treats also, because they are big and hard. Training treats should be small and soft. IMO, things like Milk Bones are "hand outs", not training treats, and I don't use them at all. (and I KNOW you were NOT advocating their use!!!)

I suspect that I, like Dave, was reacting mostly to the "training" advice and "tone" in the article, which smacks WAY too much of Cesar Millan terminology. I would much rather have people talking about "calm confident" handlers and "calm, confident" dogs… Because THAT is the state of mind I want in my dogs when they clearly understand the behavior expected and WANT to do it because it's FUN to "play" with me!!!


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