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Unsure of what to Feed (sorry, very long!)

I think I need some food advice. I have searched the forums and read everything I can but I am still unsure what to do next with Duncan.

Sorry if this is long, but any advice for my next steps I would appreciate:
Duncan came eating Science Diet which he loved and did really well on. I knew it was not a good food, so I did want to switch it. We first tried Purina Pro, which he also did well on but hated. He only ate it when he was really hungry.
I then switched him gradually to Solid Gold - He loved it, but we had severe potty issues. Very loose stool and at times he seems constipated, trying to go more but couldn't. I started mixing his food with Wysong since I had a bag of that to transition him, but he ate all the Solid Gold out of the bowl and left the Wysong.

I of course tried pumpkin - which he refuses to eat. He just picks the dry kibble out around the pumpkin.

I got a bunch of sample bags and over the last week have tried:
California Naturals - refused to eat
Artemis - refused, then ate the next day but he was most likely starving
Before Grain Salmon - not crazy about

During this time, I tried adding some greek yogurt mixed with pumpkin so he ate a little of that. Stool is firmer, but never as firm as it was on the Science Diet or Purina Pro.

I brought Orijen home yesterday and he inhaled it like I have never seen. Of course this morning, more stomach issues.

Unfortunately in the midst of all of this, we have gone through a major heat wave, so I am not sure if that is adding some stress to his body.

So do I keep up the Orijen for a week - adding some pumpkin/yogurt - to see if he adjusts? Try something new?

For stomach issues like this, is it usually the protein, fat or fiber content that I should be checking on? I was on dogfoodanalysis.com trying to find a correlation on what what foods he did better on, but I couldn't figure it out.

In my house now, I have Wysong, Solid Gold, Orijen, and Before Grain ~ what on earth should I give him tonight?

If you actually got through this whole post - thank you, I appreciate any ideas!
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Jen, just take a deep breath girl.

You've got some excellent food there, but the problem is you are switching it so fast and so often your baby's tommy has trouble adjusting. Whenever you introduce new food, you give about 1/4 or less of new mixed with the old and do it gradually, over time. Since Duncan seem to love Oijen, and from the foods you have at home, it's definitely top of the line, I would just feed that. There is an excellent product on the market made to safely transition a dog from one food to the other. It's made by Eagle Pack Holistic Selects. They also make another product to help with more chronic upset stomach. Here's the link to both of them.

http://www.eaglepack.com/SP_DigestiveAids.html

There is another excellent product which I always keep on hand, which helps with upset stomach issues called OptaGest. Here's the link.

http://www.onlynaturalpet.com/produc...b-f6d4e66e3ef2

I buy all these products locally at our small pet supply stores, so I suggest you look there first.
Good luck,

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Hi Jen, I agree with Julia's advice completely. But want to add from experience, slow transitioning may not be possible with a picky eater as it sounds like Duncan is. I am not familiar with those products but if they help great. If not, and Duncan seems ok other than loose poops perhaps just deal with it for a week or so. from experience that seems to be less frustrating also perhaps adding some plain white rice to orijen and slowly reducing the amount of rice may help too.

BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY!!!!!! You are in Boston! have you seen the post about our New England play date September 12th at 1pm? here is the link

http://havaneseforum.com/showthread....ight=havablast

I hope you can make it. Duncan is adorable.




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I agree with all of the above (including what a cutie Duncan is!). One other suggestion: I boil or microwave a small turkey breast or chicken breast, dice it finely and sprinkle a small amount into the kibble -- sometimes I moisten the kibble with the chicken "broth" as well. BJ loves this and it changes it up for him from just straight kibble.

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Jen,

I"m not sure why Science Diet is considered a bad food (haven't heard anything on it), but it is the only food Marble likes and does well on. He had chronic diarrhea and we were in and out of the vet for the first year. Not only did he hate the foods we tried, but he was always sick. I must have tried at least 10 premium foods as well as the rice and boiled chicken diet. Finally, my vet gave him the prescription Science Diet Hypoallergenic. I was blown away because it was the first food he actually ate and didn't pick at. His diarrhea cleared up within a few days.

I don't know how quickly your incorporating new foods and whether that has caused loose stools, but if Duncan did really well on Science Diet and liked the taste, maybe you can try it again if nothing else works. I have been really happy with it. Good luck, and I hope you find something that works!
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I, too, read constantly about dog foods when we got our puppies last year. I read so much contradictory and inconsistent information, as well as descriptions by pet owners of dramatically different reactions different dogs have to the same brands, that I concluded that whatever dog food our dogs enjoyed eating, whatever kept their bowels regular, and making sure that our vet concurred is appropriately nutritious for them, would be the food for our guys.

They have been doing great on Nutro for about a year now. I did find that experimenting with different brands, formulations and tasty "add-ons" to encourage appetites, was the worst for their bowels, and keeping them consistently on one formulation that they liked was best.

They also seemed to be picky eaters as puppies. Either they outgrew the pickiness or I was the one causing it by giving them different tastes every few weeks so that they never knew what to expect.

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Changing from Science diet to Orijen is a great idea, but you have to give it some time. When changing any diet (even human) you will have bowel movement changes as well. So give it a week or more, and you will see it will settle down.

Orijen is one of the best dog foods out there, so you can't really go wrong.

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Jen,

I have no experience with dry food, but I agree with everyone, changing diets takes a few days. Give him time.

Also, have you thought about raw? I switched Bumi the very next day I got him to raw chicken. He has been eating it since then (for 1 month already) and has had no problems. Poops are solid.

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First,thank you everyone for the advice! I really appreciate you taking the time to help me.

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There is an excellent product on the market made to safely transition a dog from one food to the other. It's made by Eagle Pack Holistic Selects. They also make another product to help with more chronic upset stomach. Here's the link to both of them.

http://www.eaglepack.com/SP_DigestiveAids.html

There is another excellent product which I always keep on hand, which helps with upset stomach issues called OptaGest. Here's the link.

http://www.onlynaturalpet.com/produc...b-f6d4e66e3ef2

I buy all these products locally at our small pet supply stores, so I suggest you look there first.
Good luck,
I am in a major city, and I have called all the pet stores listed on Eagle Pack's site - no one has it! Alternatives I was given over the phone were The Wholistic Pet Digestall or a similar product by Animal Essentials.

Anyone try either of these?


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BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY!!!!!! You are in Boston! have you seen the post about our New England play date September 12th at 1pm? here is the link

http://havaneseforum.com/showthread....ight=havablast

I hope you can make it. Duncan is adorable.
I know ~ I want to come! I have been trying to figure out if my family who is supposed to be in town that weekend will actually be in town. What town is it in? (Or you can PM me if you don't want to put it on here.)

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Jen,

I"m not sure why Science Diet is considered a bad food (haven't heard anything on it), but it is the only food Marble likes and does well on.
It's not that bad, but it gets very low scores on dogfoodanalysis.com. And I believe it's due to the corn that is in it. One complaint on the Science Diet is that when he went it was very firm, but it stunk like you would not believe!

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Also, have you thought about raw? I switched Bumi the very next day I got him to raw chicken. He has been eating it since then (for 1 month already) and has had no problems. Poops are solid.

I am not sure if I can handle raw :-)



I cannot believe how much DH and I have discussed his poop over the last 2 week. I am so immune to how odd it is already...lol.

I will keep up with Orijen for another week or so and hope his stomach settles. I plan to cook him some plain white rice and chicken this weekend as well, since he refuses to eat the pumpkin. I want to stick with the Orijen since he has inhaled the last 4 meals of it, and he never ate that fast with any other food. He loves it! I just hope his stomach will love it soon too....
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Every time I have changed the food for my two, there has been a period of adjustment (with their stools). I suggest you stick with the Orijen for at least one full bag. Give his digestive system a good amount of time to adjust. My two liked Orijen and did great on it, then suddenly quit eating it. The gal at the pet store thought that Orijen had maybe just changed their formulation. I didn't follow up, I just switched food to Taste of the Wild (yellow bag-bison and something or another). Once their systems adjusted to the change, they have done great on that too, so we're sticking with it for now.
Once you find something that works, stick with it and don't worry too much!

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