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post #1 of 27 (permalink) Old 05-16-2017, 06:08 AM Thread Starter
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Our new puppy originated in a puppy mill

I found Carlos, who came to live with us on Saturday, through a post on Facebook. His original family got him from a "local breeder" a month prior to attempting to rehome him. I asked questions about his temperament, his health, their reasons to rehome. I didn't ask for information on the "local breeder".

We picked him up Saturday and he is absolutely wonderful. Happy. Healthy per our vet who he saw yesterday. Adaptable. Friendly. I am just overwhelmed with what a great dog he is and how well he fits in our family.

Upon pick up we were given his "papers". They listed breeder information and I was able to look them up. His papers are not AKC but America's Pet Registry, which seems to be originated by the puppy mill industry. His breeder breeds no less than 7 different types of dogs. No where on her site are pictures of the Havanese parents or their living conditions. To me...this screams puppy mill.

I feel very guilty about indirectly supporting a mill. Carlos is a great 5 month old puppy who will lead a spoiled life. Vet says he is healthy, well socialized, and he is already bonded to me. But I feel like I need to do something to stop this mill. Has anyone had experience with getting a puppy mill shut down? What did you do? She is a registered breeder with the state of Missouri. I am also confused because his level of socialization can't have just been the one month with his original family.

We are lucky as we found a puppy in need of a home who is healthy and well adjusted. I just want to help his parents. I am not registering him with the APRI as he will not be shown and is scheduled to be neutered. If you have experience working against mills please let me know what you were able to do.
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Good luck in your endeavor. I think the department of agriculture might regulate dog breeders.
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Welcome. Enjoy your Carlos, sounds like he has found a good home.

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Unfortunately, only the public choosing not buying puppy mill dogs will put them completely out of business. They are regulated under "agriculture" in most states that allow them, and as long as they "sort of" comply with livestock standards of cleanliness (which is low), population density (which is high) and care of the animals, they are completely within the law. That does NOT mean that this is how animals destined to be pets should be raised.

As far as your puppy being quite sociable, that happens too. Dogs that are hard to handle tend to get weeded out of the gene pool in puppy mills because they are, well, hard to handle. You are lucky you got such a delightful little guy from such a source. For future reference, it would be EXTREMELY unlikely to find a quality puppy from a reputable breeder being re-homed on FB, Craig's List, or other places of that sort. All reputable breeders have it written into their contract that the puppy or dog must be returned them if the owner finds that they can't or don't want to keep them anymore. And all quality Havanese puppies are AKC registered. (the converse is not always the case... it's entirely possible to find poor quality puppies with AKC registration)

There is really nothing you can do for the parents of your puppy... especially to without just adding to the problem by trying to buy them. Enjoy him for who he is, and consider this a learning experience. Next time, you will know to find a reputable breeder when you want to buy a puppy, or will adopt from a REPUTABLE shelter or rescue. (those aren't all so good either!) And in the mean time, you can help other people avoid making the mistake you did, by guiding them into good decision when they are looking for a puppy!
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What Karen said. Meanwhile, welcome to the forum, and let's see some photos of sweet Carlos!

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Welcome! It sounds like Carlos has a wonderful family. Looking forward to pictures!

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Welcome! Lucky little one to have found his way to you! Hope we get to see him soon!

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So glad Carlos is such a wonderful puppy. Welcome.

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Congratulations on your baby! I'm sorry it turned out he came from an awful place like that. Some people should be shot.
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I'm going to disagree with your concern about supporting a puppy mill - you adopted a puppy that was being rehomed by the people who didn't want him. That's what rescue/ adoption is about and most/ all of the rescues/ adoptions are from puppy mills. I disagree with Karen is about adopting from a 'reputable' shelter/ rescue (with the implication that was the way to get a quality breeder puppy). What you did was save a puppy from going to a shelter (potentially a high kill one) - that's a win in my book. Yes, going through a reputable shelter is a good thing so as not to support bad rescue practices, but if you're looking for quality breeder puppies then you're probably not going through rescue in the first place (since, as Karen stated, most quality breeders require you to bring a dog back to them if you decide you can't keep it). Don't feel bad about tangentially supporting a puppy mill - you didn't, you rescued a puppy.
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