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Hello everyone, I need some help with this one. I have an 8 month old Havanese who seems really fearful. I was told she grew up around two kids and other dogs and was well socialized… well, from my experience with her she is either traumatized from the flight or very UN-socialized. idk

Day 1

Zoey wouldn’t come out her kennel. I left the kennel door open for her to come out on her own, and when she did it was real slow with tail tucked. Poor baby seem terrified. I’m guessing the flight may have traumatized her. I’m not really sure but I know it will take her some time to come around. I took her to the vet and they said she looks great, but she was missing the bordatella vaccine. They gave her the nasal mist. She hasn’t eaten anything. Could it be because she is stressed? Wow taking her out to potty is a challenge she does not like the leash.

Day 2

She seems a little more relaxed than yesterday, but still really unsure. She runs from the kids and my dog. She does show curiosity because she will walk up to them but with any movement from them she runs and hide. I have an area set up for her in my living room and she hides there often. She started following me everywhere but if I go to pet her or pick her up she will duck low to the floor and back up or run right back to her bed. When I was sitting on the sofa she came up to me and just sat there staring. I put her on the sofa with me and she fell asleep. When my youngest child Bella (3years old) walked into the living room Zoey growled at her for no apparent reason. I did stop her by saying ahh ah and she took off to her bed.

Day 3

Potty training is going good she had one accident in the house, and that was my fault. I brought her out and when it started raining we came right back in but she didn’t have time to potty.

I think Zoey is a fearful dog because she seems scared of everything. I'm hoping with time and training she will come around. The broom fell this morning it didn't touch her but she got really startled and went hide. She spent most of the day in her bed besides when I brought her out to potty. Tonight she bit my youngest. I believe it may have been out of fear, I don’t know. Bella was sitting on the floor and Zoey came right up to her but when Bella tried to pick her up she growled and bit her. I say maybe fear because she seems so scared and unsure. I hope she improves with training. I have decided to no longer allow her on the sofa with us until she learns order (is this the right thing to do?). My little girl is an animal lover so it didn’t bother her but I do need to correct this behavior.

Day 4

Zoey woke up this morning really excited prancing around tail wagging, I was in shock. It was a major difference but it didn’t last long before she ran to her bed again. I brought her out while waiting to put the kids on the bus she was able to meet my neighbor’s yorkie. Zoey was overly excited wanting to play. For some reason she is hesitant to play with my golden but I guess since Lizzy the yorkie is small like her she feels more comfortable.

Wow…. I guess Zoey wanted to prove me wrong. To my surprise, she played with Diesel my golden for a little bit today. Is this progress???? Now it’s to get her used to the kids. patience, patience, patience…….




I believe she will come around. I will also be seeing a behaviorist. Then I will get her into some training classes.

Today Day 5

So far today she has shown a little more progress. She has been coming out of her little corner a lot more than usual and we had a good time playing outside earlier (just Zoey and me) I believe she is slowly building trust in me.


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This is a huge change for her in this time, so you need to be patient with her. I always tell my people to expect the older puppies/adults that it could take as much as 2-3 months to fully come around. When I had gotten my first girl, she was 8 months old, but by the time I could actually get her imported her she was 10 months. She had left every thing she had ever knew, came to a new place by herself that was full of new people, dogs and smells, and nothing that she was familiar with. She took to me fairly quick, but it took her about 10 months to finally warm up to everyone in the house.
I had told my kids to just let her be, and on the occasion I would hold her to let the kids pet her, but never let them force play on her. ( I think you may need to take the same approach with your children too. It may also help Zoey feel a little more comfortable. Let her be the one to approach the kids.)
If you to meet my girl today you would never know that she had several issues when she first came to us. She loves everyone and plays and follows all members of the family.

I think it is important to let her have the time to adjust, and when she does some thing good or right praise her and give her your happy voice. I think you were expecting her to just fall into all of your arms with kisses and like she had lived with you all the time, when in reality she was uprooted from what she knew and was use to.

Please give her time, It sounds like she is already making progress.

By the way she is really a cutie. Good luck with her.

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Congratulations! Zoey is so cute. I agree, she's probably just terrified and needs time to get used to your home. If you think about what the plane must have been like and then to be in a place she doesn't know, it's scary. She'll find out soon enough how lucky she is to be with your family.

I have to say that she looks really happy in that last picture. It made me smile just looking at it.

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Thank you!

I did tell the kids to leave her, and they have been doing good. You are so right... I have worked with rescues before and fostered so I know it takes time but I was wanting her to fall into all of our arms with kisses.
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awwww, she DOES look super happy in that last pic!!!
and your day to day journalling REALLY shows that she IS warming up, give her time and lots of PRAISE!!!
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Heather is sooo right. We see all the media that shows the rescues and they all my the end look happy and adjusted and does happen, just not at that speed. Yes even older dogs coming from great breeders need time and work. My girl Misty has taken time and still adjusting she is 3, the breeder had others, I wanted her and was warned she had become a bit shy over time. She is nothing like a mill dog, but she takes awhile to warm up and it took 6 months for her to warm up to my blind dog, the Hav she warmed up to quickly. Life is so different here. She has done well in training and shines in rally and is doing pre novice. She is my little star...yet she is still people shy but doing better everyday. At home she is a much different dog then when we first brought her home. Trust, you have to earn her trust then do the journey together.

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This is a huge change for her in this time, so you need to be patient with her. I always tell my people to expect the older puppies/adults that it could take as much as 2-3 months to fully come around. When I had gotten my first girl, she was 8 months old, but by the time I could actually get her imported her she was 10 months. She had left every thing she had ever knew, came to a new place by herself that was full of new people, dogs and smells, and nothing that she was familiar with. She took to me fairly quick, but it took her about 10 months to finally warm up to everyone in the house.
I had told my kids to just let her be, and on the occasion I would hold her to let the kids pet her, but never let them force play on her. ( I think you may need to take the same approach with your children too. It may also help Zoey feel a little more comfortable. Let her be the one to approach the kids.)
If you to meet my girl today you would never know that she had several issues when she first came to us. She loves everyone and plays and follows all members of the family.

I think it is important to let her have the time to adjust, and when she does some thing good or right praise her and give her your happy voice. I think you were expecting her to just fall into all of your arms with kisses and like she had lived with you all the time, when in reality she was uprooted from what she knew and was use to.

Please give her time, It sounds like she is already making progress.

By the way she is really a cutie. Good luck with her.
Awesome advice! I'm glad I'm not alone in this. Even though I may have fostered or worked with rescues I have never worked with one that was fearful. So this is new for me. I told my kids not to bother her when she was in her bed because thats her safe place (thats where she seems to be most comfortable for now), but I guess it wouldn't be a bad idea for me to hold her and let them pet her.
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Zoey has the Havanese head tilt down to a tee!I'm sure given time she will come round and be very loving.When we got our second Hav Nellie, she was super confident until she met our youngest son [who is 27]when he came for a visit,unfortunately as he came in the back gate the bin men arrived making a terrible noise, and it freaked Nellie out,plus in the morning she had her second shots which she squealed at,anyway after that she was really scared of all men,even my DH,so we had to start from scratch, and get her trust in men back.First I would do things like when she was on my lap or asleep by me, DH would gently and quietly sit next to us and as she woke he would give her a little treat, I did the same with other male members of the family,also when ever any of our sons came home I would pick Nellie up and hand her gently over to them and again they would give her a little treat.And now she is fine with them all she is just 8 months old.

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Well, the good news is, that no matter what fears she had before, they can be eased and even fixed with patience and the right training.

Try to put yourself in her paws () she has been through so many scary things over the last week and lost everything she knew and loved and came into a whole new environment with new people and smells and dogs and she just needs time to figure it out.

Havanese are very 'routined' animals, I'd even go a bit far to say they even can have some OCD habits and really do well and thrive on routine, so the sooner you can establish the routine, the safer I think they feel.

I'd just go slowly with the kids and other dogs. I'd let your daughter help with feedings and treats and training and I'd reprimand the growling and biting, however, I'd also work on getting her to trust the kids picking her up.

My girl doesn't like my twin stepdaughters to pick her up (or I should say didn't) because one actually did drop her when she was a puppy, and she's gotten much better with small children picking her up but I can still tell that she's a bit anxious when they do, just be right there and give her a treat and praise and start helping build the trust.

I'd probably let her sit on the couch next to you, feeling the love and companionship will likely help her adjust and start to feel at home and love you back. It'll happen with time, havanese are wonderful, very loving dogs...and I do think the behaviorist will help and I also believe you will succeed and have a wonderful result in a few weeks//months

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She's absolutely as cute as can be!

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I have to agree, she looks happy in the last picture but you have to give her time. I always liken it to a human being transported to a foreign country where nobody speaks her language. She's alone and frightened, and she's old enough to have had experiences of a lifetime imprinted on her psyche.

Let her do this on her terms. Let her come to you and the rest of the family. You might want to sit on the floor and let her come to you and/or the kids if/when she's ready. You can have some treats that you can put down near you, but things she can take and either stay or go with them. She just needs time. She is a cutie though.

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