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Thought on Litter boxes etc.

We had a very wet day on Sat., and as I saw the number of "pee spots" in Kodi's litter box pile up (because neither of us wanted to go out and get drowned) it made me wonder...

I read all the time about people on the forum who have Hav's that have accidents from time to time, some when they are well over a year old. I was wondering how many people who have an indoor alternative for their pups still have problems with accidents elsewhere?

While I know that dogs can be taught to "hold it" for a fairly long time, I'm sure it's uncomfortable, and little dogs have little bladders. Kodi can go when he wants, because he always has a litter box available to him. I have noticed that even when we go outside a number of times each day, there are still two or three wet spots in the litter box in a 24 hour period. Would these have been "accidents" if he didn't have a litter box? I suspect so.

He's also very quiet and private about his need to go. He doesn't advertise it... he quietly slips away and does it. I usually don't even know it has happened until I see the wet spot in the litter box. If I was depending on ALWAYS getting him outside, I'm sure I'd be missing some of the time, and from what I understand, the more "accidents" they have, the more they think it's OK to go in the house.

I suspect it doesn't matter what kind of indoor potty arrangement people have ... whether it's a litter box, pee pads, Ugodog, etc., I think what's important is that they have an alternative when they need to go and either can't, or don't want to go outside. I'm sure they can learn to use any of those arrangements.

Oh, another point. I know that many people withhold water from their dogs after a certain time in the evening, or while they are crated overnight. I guess this works, but as someone who has worked with many other species, for me, it goes against the grain to EVER withhold water. Because Kodi has a litter box in his ex-pen, and his crate is attached to the ex-pen (and that's where he sleeps) he has access to his water whenever he wants. I don't have to worry about crack of dawn pee-runs either. If I decide to sleep in on the weekend, he just uses his litter box. I usually wake up when I hear him playing with his toys. (he doesn't bark then either)

Since I only have a sample size of one dog, I'd be interested in the thoughts of other forum people, both with and without indoor potties for their pups.


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Karen, I agree with you that it is just more humane for little dogs to have a place to relieve themselves. And I also think it is best if they have a place to go that is out of the way because I think they do like privacy.

That being said both my boys were trained to use a little potty room closed off from the rest of the garage that they accessed through a doggy door. We trained them this way until they were 5/6 months of age and never made a big deal of them going outside, because we wanted then to remember this, as it is not as second nature to them as outdoors with all the smells...if they went in their -- but in their room was a reason to celebrate. We were very excited that we would all have an option for rain and snow and put a lot of thought into where it would be that it would that would be out of the way but easy for them. We then started taking them out more and they just naturally stopped using the room after each of them was about 1 and a half. At first, they would still use it in an emergency or if we were having a dinner party and not paying attention to them. And then they started asking to go out by scratching at the door. if we showed them their room they would NOT use it. And settle down for about 1/2 hour and then beg again. So... they trained us that their preference is OUTSIDE or HOLD IT. We kept the room open for another year but it became clear that they were not going to use it! so we closed it up (doggy door was drafty) and the little room now stores outdoor pillows...LOL. Perhaps when they are old and gray (and we are too) they will learn to use it again.

Oh I have to add...That my boys are hardly "sample sized" LOL. so that may have something to do with their ability to hold it.




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Hi Missy,

But I still think what you posted goes along with what I've been thinking... you had the indoor potty spot available to them until THEY decided they didn't need it or want it. I think that may be the difference. Kodi already shows a preference for going outside, as long as t's not raining really hard. But Sat., as you know, was pretty torrential rain. He went out once, and then was happy with the litter box for the rest of the day. (as was I... one hair-dryer routine was enough! His silky hair seems to suck up water like a sponge!<g>)


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I agree Karen. But beware... it will likely be his choice not yours. LOL. There are days, especially when DH is out of town and there is 3 ft of snow that they would still use their room.

I also want to add that I suspect it is a very hard concept for a dog to get who has not been trained to do it from a very young age. So not sure it would be a helpful to those that have 2 year old dogs that have never been introduced to the concept. But never having never dealt with an older dog I really don't know. Curious to know if anyone who does have an older dog who makes mistakes have you ever tried to re-train them to a pad or litter box?




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We tried doing both for Belle when she was younger and it didn't work. Maybe it is cause she is a marker, not sure. Once she started going outdoors (She was a puppy in the winter in michigan), we switched her to totally outdoors. A few times a year when it is really horrible outside I will put down a pad but usually outdoors. She does potty on command so that helps. Trying to do both- she would sometimes go on the pad, sometimes go on a random rug or go next to the pad. To this day I can't have down little rugs as she thinks it is okay to pee on them.

So when we added Dora and Dash, we just let them go outside. When it is raining to be totally honest, often times they will go on the deck or the patio if I don't make them get off the porch but all my dogs will potty on command so I just tell them to go. But all of my dogs are potty trained and I honestly can't remember the last time there was an accident. Dash peed a few times on the old trash container but that wasn't an accident

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I'm wondering the same thing about training a 2-1/2 year old to use a doggy door. Tucker never has accidents indoors, (even when, because of a neighbor's forgetfulness, he was shut inside without a potty break for 12 hours!!!)

I have installed a neat doggy door into a wall, leading out to a securely locked and covered dog run...very costly for me, hoping to never have that situation of him not being able to get outside happen again. Thus far he's only gone through the doors with help and bribery from me. Who knows if he'll ever use it?! I've been working with him for two weeks, now. I think he's too polite to barrel his way through the swinging doors. But, maybe if he NEEDS to go potty he'll figure it out, even if I'm not there to see him.

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Pixie was trained when I brought her home to use the UGOdog. She was very tiny and too small for heartworm preventative. I just couldn't have her outside with all of the mosquitoes here. She still uses it daily because she's mostly indoors. When we travel or when I take her on a walk she'll pee outside and she knows both are ok. The only time she has ever had an accident was when she had a UTI a few months ago. Other than that, no accidents in the house. She will go on command, and I ask her to go before bedtime or if we leave the house to go somewhere, but she mainly just takes care of everything herself. I never withhold water from her. That's our system and it just works very well for us.

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I'm wondering the same thing about training a 2-1/2 year old to use a doggy door. Tucker never has accidents indoors, (even when, because of a neighbor's forgetfulness, he was shut inside without a potty break for 12 hours!!!)

I have installed a neat doggy door into a wall, leading out to a securely locked and covered dog run...very costly for me, hoping to never have that situation of him not being able to get outside happen again. Thus far he's only gone through the doors with help and bribery from me. Who knows if he'll ever use it?! I've been working with him for two weeks, now. I think he's too polite to barrel his way through the swinging doors. But, maybe if he NEEDS to go potty he'll figure it out, even if I'm not there to see him.
Sheri, I am assuming you have already done this. But have you taken him to the secured place to relieve himself? does he know that that is where he is supposed to go. I might try taking him there instead of a walk a few times til he puts two and two together. and try to put some of his sent down there... maybe take a paper towel with you for a walk.




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Missy, thanks, he knows he can go potty there, he used to before the run was put up, and he still goes there with no problem when I've taken him out. It is actually pushing through the saloon-type doors that is the issue. I got this brand because you can see through the doors, and really like the weather protection better.

However, I may have just found the key for him. He's not very food motivated, and I've used boiled chicken, cheese, treats...but unless I hold open one side he won't push through. BUT, I just happened to try teensy pieces of fried chicken gizzards, and he has now blasted through the doors four times in a row without me even being by the doors! Yippee! Maybe a couple days of this and he'll get over his reluctance.

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I'm home most of the time so I trained Stella from the get go to go outside to do her business. She also goes potty on command so that makes it easier for when I do leave. If I'm going to be gone longer than 4 hours, I always get a sitter for her. (yes, she IS spoiled )
I trained her to ring bells when she needs to go out so I always hear her when she needs me to. And if I don't get up immediately, she rings them harder She's 2-1/2 and hasn't had an accident in almost 2 years.

ETA: The weather doesn't bother her at all. She goes out in the rain, snow, wind and sub-zero temps. She just doesn't stay out very long when it's ugly out.

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