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Recently, I was asking about a specific breeder in NY, I was cautioned by some, then referred to the HCA website, This breeder is a member! So I spoke with him and I was very uncomfortable with his practices, very puppy mill like, in my opinion him but more dumbfounded that he is a member of a what one would consider a prestigious organization, I am very discouraged I really liked the breeder in CT & she is not a member, I'm confused!
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I had a hard time deciding when I was looking. But from my experience and from advice I have seen given I would only buy from someone who health checks, would be willing to take back the pup for whatever reason and will give you references from her previous puppy owners. Also that they are socialised with kids and many different people.
I love my Scooby but he was not socialised well (although he loves everyone) I don't think he was handled much either so he is not a cuddly boy (yet)
Good luck can't wait to see the pics.
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Lexie, that does sound confusing. I think you need to go with your gut. If I were you, I would visit the breeders yourself and get a feel for how the puppies are being raised. You can tell so much by seeing with your own eyes. I think just like many organziations, some people slip by that may not be what the organization is truly looking for. And there are others out there that are not members but do all the right things. Be sure to check for health testing, meet the parents and the puppies (if you can), and make sure you have a good, comfortable relationship with the breeder. My Brady is now 3 years old and I still call my breeder when I have any questions, concerns or just to tell her how great he is. My Dugan is a rescue and my breeder was very supportive and helpful when I got him as well. Good luck to you.

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Lexie did you check the HCA breeders list? I did not see the two breeders you were looking at on it?

I agree with Karen you have to go with your gut feeling but I would also back it up with checking on the health testing the breeder does on his/her dog's then double check the results on www.offa.org.

If you need any help or are unsure of someone or something please do not be afraid to ask, there are so many people on the forum that would love to help you make getting a puppy a successful one.

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I think you should look for a breeder that does the health testing on all their dogs...dogs should have a CHIC # and you can check on the site Leeann mentioned. www.offa.org

If you don't understand the health testing don't be afraid to ask members on the forum to explain it to you.

It is very hard to understand how to find a good breeder, just keep asking questions.

A breeder that breeds for good health of the dog is what you want, then second for me would be, will they be their to answer your many questions and supporting you and the dog.
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Being a member of any breed organizations just means someone has met the criteria and has the sponsors needed to qualify. It does not mean they are good or bad, a small breeder or a very large breeder. Seeing the facility, the litter with the dam (and sire if on site) talking with references or other puppy buyers, and checking the heath testing web sites for the dam and sire is really the only thing you can do.

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Thank you

Thank you for the advice, just trying to do the right thing but there are many contradictions. For instance I just found out that a chic number is given whether there are good or bad health results!? My husband wants a cat... Maybe for once, he'll get his way! LOL!
Sincere thanks once more.
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Lexie, If you go to the offa.org site listed above and enter the chic # I think it gives you more information on the results of the testing. Someone that knows the system will explain it better, I hope.

It is real important to be able to check on the health testing. I know it is intimidating, though. If you get some numbers in particular, post them here and I bet someone can help you find the specifics.

Hang in there, don't give up!

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Wow Lexie, there are a ton of excellent breeders, many on this forum. Don't give up! Someone who lives in NY or a surrounding state must me able to direct you to some good breeders. I live in Calif and got one hav from Florida, one from Arizona and one from Calif. I say this just to say many of us have gone out of state to get what we wanted.
There are many good breeders on justhavpuppies.com too. Good luck!

Vinny, Lulu, Gabby and Richie too!

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I understand what you mean by the confusion. I had wrongly assumed that if someone was a member of HCA, and they were a breeder, they would follow the HCA breeders guidelines, but that's not necessarily true.

If an HCA breeder isn't listed on the Breeder Referral List, it's completely up to you to do all the checking on what they do as far as health testing, ethics and anything else related to breeding. The only breeders who have to follow the guidelines are on that list. This isn't to say other breeders aren't also excellent and don't also do all the health testing, etc, but it also means that other members that are breeders may not do any health testing or use good breeding practices.

I was personally very surprised when I found this out. I would think it would be in the clubs best interest to hold everyone to the highest of standards, but I guess it would be hard to get a group of people to agree with what that is.


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