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Thoughts and advice needed

Ok folks, put your thinking caps on I'm needing your thoughts and advice regarding a problem we're having with my DS & DDIL's pekingese, Rascal. For the past couple of weeks Rascal (age 3.5) has begun pooping in various places in the house. She has been litter box trained since she was a puppy and has done well with it, hardly ever having any "accidents" at all.

Well, last night was the "straw that broke the camel's back". My DGS was fussy and DDIL decided to change his diaper. They had been playing on the floor, so that's where she changed him. When she had finished, she looked behind her and there was a pile of poop! Rascal had done it while she was changing the baby. The "incredible" thing is the litter box is just on the other side of the room. My DDIL was "fit to be tied". In the past couple of weeks Rascal has pooped in the baby's room, in their bedroom just outside of her crate, and at my house in the kitchen.

I'm sure something is upsetting her but, we're at a loss to know what it is. The only things we can come up with is that DGS has become mobile, scooting and rolling around, so now Rascal doesn't always know exactly where she'll find him. Yet, they have happily coexisted for the past 8 months. The other thing that coincides pretty exactly with the behavior is that DDIL is now expecting baby #2. I wonder if she senses that and that's the problem? My DDIL goes out of her way to give Rascal the attention she always has, so I don't think it's an attention issue. We're at a loss here....

Does anyone have any ideas about what could be causing Rascal to do this all of a sudden? Any and all ideas are welcome. Also, if you have any suggestions on what to try to get her to stop it, that would be much appreciated.

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How very frustrating for your Daughter in law! That would be so hard to live with. I have no advice, unless maybe a dog trainer might have some clues?

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It sounds like a jealous issue. The pup is not getting the attention like she use too...and of course there is more stress in the house now.

They need to spend the time with the pup......



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It does sound like the rascal is feeling threatened by the moving baby and perhaps that smell of a new baby on the way. Even if Rascal is getting all the attention in the world he seems to be saying "hey what about me. I used to be your baby."

I think a session with a behaviorist would help give you some tools to try.... Dave, have any thoughts?

In the mean time... Is it possible to give Rascal a job regarding your grandson? Rascal, bring DGS a toy. Rascal, go check on GDS! And when GDS can gesture or talk I might try right away teaching GDS to tell Rascal to sit or do things. I'm thinking that maybe it's time for Rascal to have a place in GDS's life and GDS to have a place in Rascals. it was like when Cash was a pup, Jasper didn't want anything to do with this thing that just stole his treats and toys, but as he got older and could play with him he started to protect baby Cash. I know it's different with babies you have to be more careful...but perhaps there is something in the thinking that can help you figure something out.




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No real help from here other than when Smarty’s behavior changed in regard to other dogs, I now know I went in the wrong direction with punishment. Dogs do not reason the way we do. Good luck I hope you find the answer.

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I don't think it's about being jealous or wanting attention. More than likely he sees the DGS crawling about and pooping in the house (I mean he can smell it in the diaper right?) and thinks the rules have changed and it's now ok for the four legged set to poop indoors.

My thoughts are first get him in to see the vet to make sure there are no health isssues. Then think-- is everything the same with the litter box? Using the same substrate? Formula hasn't changed? Then go back to square one with potty training to reaffirm, that regardless of where the DGS is pooping you still expect the dog to use the litter box.
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Christy, can you come and live with me and the boys for a bit and whip us into shape? I love your advice! You make so much sense whether it is a pooping Rascal or a mail crazed Jasper!




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It does sound like the rascal is feeling threatened by the moving baby and perhaps that smell of a new baby on the way. Even if Rascal is getting all the attention in the world he seems to be saying "hey what about me. I used to be your baby."

I think a session with a behaviorist would help give you some tools to try.... Dave, have any thoughts?

In the mean time... Is it possible to give Rascal a job regarding your grandson? Rascal, bring DGS a toy. Rascal, go check on GDS! And when GDS can gesture or talk I might try right away teaching GDS to tell Rascal to sit or do things. I'm thinking that maybe it's time for Rascal to have a place in GDS's life and GDS to have a place in Rascals. it was like when Cash was a pup, Jasper didn't want anything to do with this thing that just stole his treats and toys, but as he got older and could play with him he started to protect baby Cash. I know it's different with babies you have to be more careful...but perhaps there is something in the thinking that can help you figure something out.
Missy I agree with you. Whether you call it jealousy or what ,the Pekinese is stressed by the environment with your grandson .I just spoke with Teresa from Doggone Safe and asked for possible causes. Without seeing the interactions of the family it is never sure to offer causes. She did see a couple of "red flags" in the brief story that I told her. And therefore she recommended a behaviorist. That is after you have ruled out any physical possibilites. I definitely would not let the dog near the baby til then. Here are two good sites that might be useful. http://www.dogsandstorks.com/
http://www.doggonesafe.com/ Oh yeah, whatever you do ,do not correct the dog for these "mistakes" , especially in the presense of the child. You want good things to happen to the dog ,when the baby is near.

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Thanks guys, I knew you wouldn't fail me

I don't think it's an attention issue either since both DS and DDIL have gone above and beyond to make sure Rascal gets at least as much attention from them as she always has. I know she's stressed but, trying to figure out what it is exactly, then knowing what to do about it is hard. I'll pass on the suggestion of bringing in a behaviorist.

Dave, would you elaborate on what the "red flags" were? Thanks for the links. I'll pass those on to them, too.

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Thanks guys, I knew you wouldn't fail me

I don't think it's an attention issue either since both DS and DDIL have gone above and beyond to make sure Rascal gets at least as much attention from them as she always has. I know she's stressed but, trying to figure out what it is exactly, then knowing what to do about it is hard. I'll pass on the suggestion of bringing in a behaviorist.

Dave, would you elaborate on what the "red flags" were? Thanks for the links. I'll pass those on to them, too.
I know the one she was refering to was the fact that the dog did it at the same time as your grandson was having his diaper changed which indicates a direct correlation to the stressor. Not sure what the others were ,let me find the email and I will see if I can be more informative. Will return.

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