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Help With Honest Kitchen Please

I am going to try Honest Kitchen. I got a couple of samples. I just gave her a sample of the "Brave" which is fish and coconut plus a few vegies. I thought it smelled pretty good though a little fishy. She ate a bit and then tried to bury it. I also got a sample of the "Halcyon" which is duck and whole grains. I haven't tried that one yet. She has been on a grain free kibble, so I was reluctant to try a grain product. Is grain free really all that important?

My goal is to try and find a solution to her saliva staining. She's been licking her feet a lot lately and now her feet are getting stained. I have heard that feet licking can be a result of an allergic reaction. Someone on a prior thread posted about cooling and warming foods and in my research, dogs with allergies should have cooling foods. The lamb kibble she's been on is a warming food. Duck and whitefish are cooling foods so that is why I chose the two samples that I did.

What Honest Kitchen product are you feeding? And your opinions on grain free vs. whole grains would be appreciated.

Edit: I just went into the kitchen. and Willow was licking her plate clean of the fish and coconut that she had previously tried to bury. So maybe that will work afterall.



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Ricky eats Honest Kitchen Preference which means we add our own protein, usually boiled and shredded chicken breast. Preference is grain free. Preference is much less expensive than HK with freeze dried protein in it. He has been on this diet for about 8 months now. He loves it, but he loves everything. He is a high energy Havanese and HK seems to keep him going at full throttle! This morning he decided he was going to do battle with the vacuum while Momi was trying to clean the floors!

I can't address grains other than they are relatively empty calories compared to other more nutritious foods. Ricky gets a few grains now and then but I don't worry about it. We also feed Ricky Pioneer Naturals Chicken kibble (grain and potato free) as a backup when we are traveling and for training treats. It is a high quality kibble and relatively inexpensive. Ricky drinks only filtered water from a Britta.

Ricky has a mild problem with saliva staining on his white paws. I don't think he has allergies and his Vet doesn't think so either. Usually he licks his paws to get debris out of the fur (he is in full coat and has LOTS of fur on his paws) or he loves the grass smell on his paws from his walkies. We address the mild staining with a bit of White on White conditioner applied just before his bath, 2 or 3 times a month. We also find that wiping hi tear ducts and paws with a damp wash cloth on a daily basis also prevents or reduces staining on Ricky.

If you decide to change Willow's diet, I suggest you do it gradually over a two to three week period to avoid intestinal upset.

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Popi, thank you for your input. I was told by the original owners that Willow is allergic to chicken so that is something I try to avoid plus I'm trying to avoid turkey. I don't know if there is anything to the theory of warming foods and cooling foods. But the cooling meats are duck, rabbit and whitefish. Those would be hard to find in order to cook them as an additive to the KH Preference. That's why I was looking at the ones that including protein. She did finish up the fish and coconut sample I gave her but it took awhile. What is the consistency supposed to be after you add water? Is it supposed to be kind of like canned food? Real moist? How much do you give Ricky per feeding?



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I was told by the original owners that Willow is allergic to chicken so that is something I try to avoid plus I'm trying to avoid turkey.
For variety, we will add boiled whitefish or lean pork loin instead of chicken to Ricky's HK Preference. Works great.

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Yes it should be very moist but not "soupy." Soupy makes a mess in the beard. Ricky, at 15 pounds, gets 1/4 cup of HK in the morning and then again in the evening. He also gets 1/4 to 1/2 cup of training treats or boiled vegetables during the day. So 3/4 to 1 cup total per day for a high energy dog. It should be less for a dog with lower energy levels. We check his weight at the Vet's office a couple of times a month. We are going to stabilize his weight at 14 to 15 pounds as an adult.

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For variety, we will add boiled whitefish or lean pork loin instead of chicken to Ricky's HK Preference. Works great.


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I don't believe I have ever seen whitefish in the supermarket. Isn't whitefish a species of fish and not just cod or pollock? Or am I mistaken? I can find cod pretty easily or even tilapia.



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I tried the HF Preference and added chopped chicken breast several months ago. Scout and Truffles turned their noses up and walked away. I just picked up a bag of Ziwi Peak beef and will see what happens. I tried it once before and they loved it, but it developed mold within a week. I going to give it one more try since they did like it. They always get chicken breast or roast beef with vegetables and Acana Grasslands, but this will be something different for them.

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I don't believe I have ever seen whitefish in the supermarket. Isn't whitefish a species of fish and not just cod or pollock? Or am I mistaken? I can find cod pretty easily or even tilapia.
I use the generic term, whitefish, to mean any white fleshed fish. Cod, pollock, snapper, tilapia, haddock, etc. work just fine.

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grains are not empty calories .. Sabine s site states ... Dogs can digest and utilize the starch from grains in dog food that has been converted by the cooking process. Digestibility depends on quality and type of grain used: rice (72%) is for example more digestible than wheat (60%) or corn (54%). Dogs can absorb the digestible carbohydrates from rice almost entirely, of the other grains about 20% are not absorbed. Indigestible fiber from grains contribute to intestinal health."
I would stick with a complete and balanced food. Forget about the hot /cold. When we add our own source of protein for example we run the risk of not balancing all the nutrients. Eg, chicken breast is not as nutritious as dark chicken. Find a food your dog likes and clean these areas regularly is the best method for staining. Grain free might help and then it may not.

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Just opened the new bag of ZiwiPeak beef. Gave Scout and Truffles a little bit in my hand. Truffles went absolutely wild for it. She was pawing for more. She never does that. Scout gave me a nose tap to the back of my leg. They both sat on the kitchen floor waiting for more. This is good...Now I won't have to go to the deli daily for chicken or roast beef. I should cook my own, but I usually just don't have time.

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Just opened the new bag of ZiwiPeak beef. Gave Scout and Truffles a little bit in my hand. Truffles went absolutely wild for it. She was pawing for more. She never does that. Scout gave me a nose tap to the back of my leg. They both sat on the kitchen floor waiting for more. This is good...Now I won't have to go to the deli daily for chicken or roast beef. I should cook my own, but I usually just don't have time.
I just looked at Ziwipeak on Amazon. It's kind of expensive, seems to me. It gets good reviews though, so I guess it's another one to consider.

So far, Willow seems to like the Honest Kitchen. She didn't seem to at first but now is cleaning her plate. I only got a couple of small samples and sometimes she shows more interest in new food but then will go back to her picky ways in a few days so it's hard to tell if her acceptance of HK will be lasting.

Good luck with Ziwipeak! Thanks for your opinions and suggestions.



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