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Chico received his shots and check up today. The good news is that he's very healthy, beautiful teeth and at twelve pounds , the perfect weight. The bad news was, when I said the only problem with him is uncertain potty training, is that she said she had three havanese in lately and that pooping and peeing in the house was the main complaint. She thought they were bred for their temprament and good looks, rather than intelligence. I laughed and agreed. We tried a dog IQ test on him last week and he didn't do so well. On the plus side he is loving, playful and gets along with our rather nasty toy poodle.
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I beg to differ. I think Havanese are very intelligent. They can learn all sorts of tricks, and were used as circus dogs in Europe. BUT, they are not Border Collies (thank goodness!).

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we lovingly say that Cooper is as dumb as a box of rocks

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My guys are smart too and completely potty trained. The only thing that Fred did about a year ago, he tried to mark in someone's house. The lady told me lots of dogs had accidents in her house, so i think he thought it was ok! I don't seem to have that problem anymore.

I really think if you get your dog as a pup and he/she isn't housebreaking, it's something you're doing wrong. Hope that doesn't offend anyone.

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No offense, but I think "uncertain potty training" goes back to whoever is training them.
I blame myself COMPLETELY for Miley not being potty trained right away. Once I started implementing various techniques from the pros like Tom King, she got it.
I often say she is too smart for her own good.
So no, I don't agree that Havanese are not intelligent.
Just my 2 cents...

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As with any toy breed, the potty training is dependent on the consistency of the owner. It doesn't have a lot to do with the "intelligence" of the dog, but maybe the diligence of the human.

In my opinion, too many people expect them to catch on in a couple of days, but they probably wouldn't expect that of a toddler in their home. Oddly enough, I've been fortunate to have a new puppy in my home for only two days and he holds it until he goes outside consistently so far. I know this is unusual, but I also know that he is depending on my routine right now too.

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DH and I think our Hav, Tucker, is very smart. He has figured out things that amazed us and he's outsmarted us several times. As far as potty training goes, he'll be 8 mos. on 12/4 and hasn't peed in the house since Aug. then it was on his pee-pad. DH and I are retired and have the time necessary to make sure he was taken out every 30 - 45 min. at first then gradually lengthening the time as he got older. At 5 mos. he started jumping up on the door when he needed to go out. We feel very fortunate that he was easy to potty train.
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I would say that Biscuit isn't the brightest bulb, but has been flawlessly housebroken since 4 mos. Whereas Heath is super smart, and we have been entirely consistent with him (we are both home all day) , and yet he still isn't reliable. And we watch his every move like a hawk and his freedom is still restricted.

So my experience makes no sense.

and HEATH-Y, TOO !

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Both my guys are completely potty trained, and it took Lincoln until he was 5 mos. old to be consistent but it took Scout close to 1 year. Scout had lots of setbacks (like being neutered, having to wear a cone so he couldn't get out the dog door, etc.) and just getting praised for pottying outside wasn't enough of an incentive for his "I'd rather do it inside where it's warm" personality.

Anyway, it took a lot of consistent effort 24/7 with both of them. I literally watched them every single second watching for that elusive "I'm gonna go now" body language, restricted their "free" roaming area and gradually gave them more access to more parts of the house as they became more reliable, etc.

It really was exhausting - I felt like I had an incontinent infant living with me for months. This crosses my mind every time I think about getting a third! But now I'm glad I put out the effort up front. My feeling is that it is easier to train them from the beginning than trying to retrain a dog that has already developed some bad habits. It just seemed like while one successful potty outside was 1 step forward, one accident was equivalent to 10 steps backward vs. just 1 step backward in the training process.


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Personally, I take great offense to that comment! My dogs are very smart, in fact if you tell Lily to go outside and get the toy that Logan brought out and bring it in, she will do it. That is pretty smart to me!!

Not only have my three potty trained with no problems, but all my fosters were immediately put on our potty schedule and did fine.

I have never heard of a doggy IQ test.

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