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As it seems I am also suffering with MHS I was wondering what is the best age to get my second Hav. Scooby is almost 8 months old. I would love to hear everyones stories and also does it work to have a boy and a girl.

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We added Murphy when Scooter was just over a year old and then "fostered" Gracie when Murphy was only 10 months and they've all done great. Since Scooter was our first dog I really don't know if we just got lucky and it all worked out well or what. We're loving having 3 though!

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Smarty was over two when we got Galen. I wish I had got her a playmate earlier. If Scooby is house trained I would say go for it. It is very hard to house train 2 at a time.

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Thank you guys. Awwww your dogs are so cute. Scooby is pretty much house trained. Just goes a little off track when my hubby comes home (works away for weeks at a time) not really sure why this happens.

Its so exciting to start thinking of getting another. I would love to rescue a pup but there is rarely any in Canada (which I guess is good news)

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We got Luke when Paco was 8 months old. We wanted to make sure that Paco was 100% potty trained and reasonably disciplined and accustomed to our household. It worked out fine in terms of the age issue. We were told that it did not much matter whether we got a second boy or a boy and girl, as we planned to neuter/spay them anyway.

The big surprise for us was the huge difference in the innate personalities of the two. Paco is outgoing, gregarious, unbelievably smart and fears almost nothing. He is a bundle of energy and curiousity, and remains so at almost 2 years old. He loves to play with us and his toys. He can be very competitive when he plays..he's got to always be first to the object when playing fetch. He loves to cuddle when we are in the same room together, but is not a velcro dog. He can be stubborn when he wants to be. When he was young, he would often growl at us if we tried to interfere with what he wanted to do. It took some training to get him to be the well-behaved dog he is today. He loves to look out the windows all day long, and knows how to interpret everything that goes on. He is very flexible about his space...not territorial with us or Luke.

Luke is cautious, very gentle and loving with humans, can be fearful, doesn't understand toys and has been a much slower learner. He is velcro with a capital V. And yet, he is not much of a cuddler...just wants to be near you, not on you. He is very eager to please, and constantly looks into your eyes for your approval. He is not curious, hardly ever looks out the window, and clearly enjoys his long daytime naps more than Paco does. He still does not get the point of a game of fetch, and is not competitive at all. However, he is very territorial and possessive of us. If he's sleeping next to us and gets the feeling that Paco is horning in, he'll actually growl at him. But he's never growled at us...he becomes putty around humans.

Needless to say, the first two months together were difficult for them. Not because of the age issue, but because of the huge personality differences. Paco wanted to play with Luke, and because he was 1/3 Paco's weight, and not much of a playful pup, Luke would run and hide. We had to keep a constant eye on them. When Paco rough-housed, Luke would growl and snap to make him go away. But Paco is so playful, he didn't catch on for many weeks that Luke was not like him.

Anyway, the adjustment period is now well over a year ago, and the two of them have become inseparable. We can't even take one on a walk without the other. If one needs to go to the vet, the other one goes along for moral support. They learned over a period of a couple of months to have more respect for each others needs and wants. Paco learned that Luke does not have an insatiable appetite for play, and will leave Luke alone when Luke has grown tired of play. However, Luke learned that a little play can be fun, and often will be the instigator when he is in the mood for a game of chase. Paco learned that a little growl means "go away." He also learned that a little cry means he is playing too rough. Over time, Paco moderated his behavior accordingly. Now, if they are play wrestling, and Luke lets out a little cry, Paco's tail goes down and he immediately starts licking Luke as if to show he didn't mean it.

I think they are very happy to have each other...But...

I think if it was up to Luke, he would have preferred having a companion who is quiet like him. A dog who could hang out with him for company, but not necessarily interact all that much with him.

Paco, on the other hand, loves having a dog companion for fun and adventure. If it was up to him, he would have preferrred another dog just like him, so they could run, chase each other, play tug-of-war, and just generally romp all day long.

I wrote this long story because I would never have believed that two dogs of the same breed who each came to us at 10 weeks old could be so different. I really worried during those first two months that we made a terrible mistake. While we are now absolutely thrilled to have them both, and truly enjoy them for their differences, it took quite a bit of work and close attention at the start.

I recommend that you think in detail about Scooby's personality, and what type of personality the second dog should have to best complement him. A good breeder will be familiar with the pups in a litter and, if you describe Scooby, will be able to help you pick the right one.

We actually had two terrific breeders. Luke's breeder did listen to us carefully about Paco, and she accurately described Luke. However, at the time, we thought another dog like Paco would make the two of them too wild and competitive. A quieter, gentler and eager to please pup seemed like the right choice. It took a lot of patience to discipline Paco when he was very young, and we didn't want to go through it again, or have a second dog reignite Paco's less positive behaviour. But Luke turned out to be even quieter and more withdrawn than we expected (or maybe he was just overwhelmed by Paco). We should have realized just how unalike they were when Luke's breeder told us that, if the other pups in his litter were playing too actively, Luke would go away and burrow under a blanket. He no longer does that, but it was his escape from Paco for many months.

In any case, while they started out more like polar opposites than variations along a spectrum, it has all worked out very very well in the long run. I think that most dogs are trainable and most pairs of dogs can be taught to make a good team. The difference is that some require little human effort to accomplish the task, while for others it becomes a labor intensive project.

I hope this helped.

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Thank you so much for your story. That has helped alot. Scooby sounds like a mixture of both your boys. He loves to look out the window. loves being outside (even now its freezing) He is a strange combination as he is very loving and looks for my approval (as you described so well) but is not a cuddly dog at all. He likes to be with you but not on you.
He loves other dogs and just wants to play play play. I was going to try and get a smaller cuddlier girl but maybe that would not be a good idea.
He is also food obsessed I was wondering if this was because he is bored and a playmate might help him out a little.

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Harvey, your post was very interesting to read and full of good information on making sure personalities mesh as well as possible for the easiest transition and best playmates. Thanks.

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I waited until Bella was fully housebroken to get Fred. Then I waited for Fred to be housebroken to get Scudder. They were about a year old before the next one entered the picture.

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We brought Sedona home when McKenna was just over a year old. They are 11 months apart in age. Like Paco and Luke, they are very different in terms of, well, everything. Though they are half sisters, they are different. McKenna is smaller and full of curiosity and spirit. She uses all of her senses to explore her world and shows little fear of anything. She is defintely the dominant dog in our house. Her favorite form of play is running (or pulling socks off people's feet). All toys that enter our house are hers first, no matter who they were given to. She will flip them in the air and fetch them until she gets bored and then the others can play with them. She is not cuddly except at bedtime but she is very loving.
Sedona is bigger and more sedate. She LOVES toys, especially Skineez and will play with them often. Her favorite form of play is one to one dog play. With people, it's tummy rubs. It as if she was born only for tummy rubs. She is very loving and will sit on laps or right next to us happily. She's a gazer. She'll put her head on our chests or laps and just gaze up at us. She is totally happy with her pack and doesn't much care for play dates or crowds. She's very people oriented. We have a friend of my husband's who visits every few months and we call him her boyfriend because she just adores him.
That said, they are inded inseperable. When we brought Sedona home, McKenna was sure we'd brought her the best toy ever! I like that they are different. They didn't seem to have too much of an adjustment period though. They meshed very well from the start.


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"Its so exciting to start thinking of getting another. I would love to rescue a pup but there is rarely any in Canada (which I guess is good news)"

So true! It was, in fact, while asking about possible rescues that I was referred to a breeder and ended up getting Ricky that way. They didn't have any rescues at the time and I've only heard of a handful since then, though there are likely a lot more. Thankfully, they are still a rare breed here in Qc.

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