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Summer Cuts - Is long hair really more insulative?

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I have heard a few times that the full Havanese coat is insulating against the heat in the summer. Does anyone here have any experience with their own havs that agree? Has anyone had their havs in a long vs short coat over the summer that has an opinion either way?

I had mine in a puppy cut last summer due to the blowing coat phase, and Teddy didn't do super well in the heat. I've got his coat longer now (about 5 inches is the longest hair on the back) but he doesn't seem to be doing well now that its getting hotter and I'm tempted to go for a puppy cut again.

Just curious what everyone thinks! Thank you!

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I have also heard the coat protects the dog from heat and sunburn. Scout's coat is long. He definitely slows down when it is hot and always tries to find the coolest area to sleep. If I lived in an area where it was hot I would probably do a puppy cut.
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Emmie does well in the heat with her long black coat and seems to like it. She usually chooses a sunny spot over a shady one, but if I'm worried about her overheating I make the choice for her.
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I've always wondered what scientific evidence that conjecture is based on. I doubt any of us would want to wear a fur coat to 'insolate' from the heat.
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My thinking is like Debs.

I just asked this question myself not long ago and I still don't understand how a long coat could make them cooler. I have read the reasons on google but wonder if anyone actually has done any real research on it or if it's theory. Just like I was told from show people here that Havanese can see fine through their hair...which makes no sense either, they can see through it like you or I can but not nearly as well as if it were trimmed away from the eyes completely. (I did my own little test with a tennis ball, threw it for Sophie before her bang trim and she would always take off at a different angle than the ball and listen for where it hit the ground, then turn and run that way. Then I did another video after her trim and she could track the ball directly every time). So I just wonder about the long coat idea being better in the heat, I know hair is a little different but people who have really thick hair are going to be hotter than people with really short hair. That is why animals shed in the summer, shorter coat keeps them cooler. I just can't imagine Havanese coat being so different than other animals it would make such a big difference for them in the heat.

Not that I'm saying it's not true about the Havanese coat but until I see proof it's hard to judge.

I can though see how too short of coat would be bad for them in the heat, could cause sunburn and no insulation at all from sun.

My Sophie gets hot really easily, she is black which I'm sure has something to do with it. A friend of mine has a white poodle and a black one and she said she does see a big difference in how the white can tolerate the heat better than the black. (having said that though it sounds like Emmy does well with the heat and she is black also so imagine several factors would be involved) .I have Sophie in her first puppy cut so am anxious to see if I can tell any difference in how hot she gets. I am guessing not at least not significantly if it's hot out they will be hot no matter what. I do think she is more comfortable in her puppy cut though and I know she appreciates the 85% less grooming time
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I have also heard the coat protects the dog from heat and sunburn. Scout's coat is long. He definitely slows down when it is hot and always tries to find the coolest area to sleep. If I lived in an area where it was hot I would probably do a puppy cut.
I don't know of ANY dog, long hair or short, who actually LIKES really hot weather. A puppy cut or full coat is a decision for the owner's convenience,not the dog's. What is important to avoid is REALLY short hair, where there is no loft for insulation, and especially if it's short enough (like a shave) where the skin is exposed to the sun. But the average puppy cut won't hurt (or help) with the heat. Just make sure the dog has access to shade and fresh water at all times, and, if possible air movement.


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I've always wondered what scientific evidence that conjecture is based on. I doubt any of us would want to wear a fur coat to 'insolate' from the heat.
Well, us wearing a fur coat (attached to a skin) is NOTHING like a dog's coat, especially a Havanese coat. A better analogy would be between a person wearing light weight, baggy clothing as opposed to being naked and bald. In THAT comparison, light weight clothing would definitely give you more protection unless you were sure you could stay out of the sun pretty much all the time.


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My thinking is like Debs.

I just asked this question myself not long ago and I still don't understand how a long coat could make them cooler. I have read the reasons on google but wonder if anyone actually has done any real research on it or if it's theory. Just like I was told from show people here that Havanese can see fine through their hair...which makes no sense either, they can see through it like you or I can but not nearly as well as if it were trimmed away from the eyes completely. (I did my own little test with a tennis ball, threw it for Sophie before her bang trim and she would always take off at a different angle than the ball and listen for where it hit the ground, then turn and run that way. Then I did another video after her trim and she could track the ball directly every time). So I just wonder about the long coat idea being better in the heat, I know hair is a little different but people who have really thick hair are going to be hotter than people with really short hair. That is why animals shed in the summer, shorter coat keeps them cooler. I just can't imagine Havanese coat being so different than other animals it would make such a big difference for them in the heat.

Not that I'm saying it's not true about the Havanese coat but until I see proof it's hard to judge.

I can though see how too short of coat would be bad for them in the heat, could cause sunburn and no insulation at all from sun.

My Sophie gets hot really easily, she is black which I'm sure has something to do with it. A friend of mine has a white poodle and a black one and she said she does see a big difference in how the white can tolerate the heat better than the black. (having said that though it sounds like Emmy does well with the heat and she is black also so imagine several factors would be involved) .I have Sophie in her first puppy cut so am anxious to see if I can tell any difference in how hot she gets. I am guessing not at least not significantly if it's hot out they will be hot no matter what. I do think she is more comfortable in her puppy cut though and I know she appreciates the 85% less grooming time
Well, first, I think there is as big a difference between what people call "puppy cuts" as there are differences in the amount of hair different Havanese have. I can't believe that those with a very heavy double coat are going to be as cool as those with a lighter weight, silky coat, no matter what the length. Likewise, I don't think that a puppy cut the length of Sophie's or Pixel's is going to interfere with the coats ability to protect the skin at all. But I see LOTS of Havanese that are supposedly in "puppy cuts, where the head and tail are left long(ish) and the body is cut down like the short part of a Poodle. THAT, IMO, gives the dog no insulation, and no protection from the sun.

As far as the facial hair is concerned, like you, I've SEEN the difference it makes to the dog's sight when their hair is in their eyes. Kodi has slammed into weave pole entries with his hair loose, when I believed the instructor's, "Oh, he can see fine!" I've also seen the difference on retrieves, even when his hair has come loose from his topknot so is partially obstructing his vision.

I think that anyone who wants their Havanese to do anything more strenuous than the conformation ring and as a lap dog, owes it to the dog to EITHER keep their hair up out of their eyes with a pony, or cut bangs so they can see. Either of those options work well... one is more work than the other. The owner has to decide, just like between a full coat and a REASONABLE puppy cut.

IMO, the ONLY reason a Havanese should be shaved close is if the owner has allowed the coat to get matted. Then, it's only fair to the dog to get rid of the mats and start fresh. But until the dog has developed some reasonable skin covering, you've got to be mighty careful of the sun.
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Whimsy has always had a long coat ( year round) She enjoys laying in the sun on the deck, but will move to the shade when she gets warm. When it's really really hot outside we both are more comfortable inside in the air conditioning.

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Well, first, I think there is as big a difference between what people call "puppy cuts" as there are differences in the amount of hair different Havanese have. I can't believe that those with a very heavy double coat are going to be as cool as those with a lighter weight, silky coat, no matter what the length. Likewise, I don't think that a puppy cut the length of Sophie's or Pixel's is going to interfere with the coats ability to protect the skin at all. But I see LOTES of Havanese that are supposedly in "puppy cuts, where the head and tail are left long(ish) and the body is cut down like the short part of a Poodle. THAT, IMO, gives the dog no insulation, and no protection from the sun.

As far as the facial hair is concerned, like you, I've SEEN the difference it makes to the dog's sight when their hair is in their eyes. Kodi has slammed into weave pole entries with his hair loose, when I believed the instructor's, "Oh, he can see fine!" I've also seen the difference on retrieves, even when his hair has come loose from his topknot so is partially obstructing his vision.

I think that anyone who wants their Havanese to do anything more strenuous than the conformation ring and as a lap dog, owes it to the dog toe EITHER keep their hair up out of their eyes with a pony, or cut bangs so they can see. Either of those options work well... one is more work than the other. The owner has to decide, just like between a full coat and a REASONABLE puppy cut.

IMO, the ONLY reason a Havanese should be shaved close is if the owner has allowed the coat to get matted. Then, it's only fair to the dog to get rid of the mats and start fresh. But until the dog has developed some reasonable skin covering, you've got to be mighty careful of the sun.
Hi Krandall, thanks for your responses! I agree on distinguishing between the types of "puppy cuts." I usually do no shorter than 3/4 inch over the body when I do a puppy cut - I didn't get a dog with silky hair just to get rid of it

I think Teddy is going to get a puppy cut this weekend - thanks everybody for your input! Sometimes you just need some help making these decisions
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