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have you used a behaviorist?

well, we adjustd djangos meds but he is stil having acciddents in the house when left behind. he is also drinking a ton of water and therefore peeing a ton. everything checked out medically so, perhaps theres more going on here then i realize.

i contacted a wonderful trainer i used in the past and she recommended a behaviorist who is very well respected in the industry to help me figure out what's going on with my dog. has anyone used a behaviorist before? we have a 2-3 hour session set up for this week.
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I am sure you have checked out many things, so please don't be upset with me for mentioning the following. Also, I can't remember all of the tests you might have done. I am not trying to hijack this thread, just feel the need to share our experience and hope you don't mind too much. Did you do a guided ultrasound culture and sensitivity test? My boy had an infection that was never found with a free catch, but was found by a needle draw. We took care of this infection, but he still has waxing and waning polydipsia/polyurea (sp?). He does have a medical condition causing him to have periodic drinking/peeing episodes, but we couldn't find the cause. It could be cushings, but unconfirmed, it could be caused by tick bites (but two different panels to two different places came back negative), it could be a kidney issue caused from chronic pancreatitis. But it is medical. One odd thing that I have noticed is now he is much more likely to 'excitement' pee than before, and he also leaks sometimes. He just can't hold it like he used to, and when he does pee in the house, it is only when I am gone.

I'm not saying that Django's issues aren't behavioural.....I'm just throwing out that it could still be medical even if a free catch urine sample came back fine. Having said all that, I do hope it is behavioural and not something long term and that you can fix it.

I will be very interested in your meeting and I hope you share with us what you are taught as this will be good general information to know.
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thanks for your comments. well, django had major blood work done last week and they did a sterile urine sample. he goes every 3 weeks for his precortin shot and everything came back great. as a matter of fact,i was concerned he wasn't getting enough precortin cuz his energy hasn't been great but he said number indicat everything is in check.

i give him a pred every 6th day however after his last visit, we agreed to every 7th day. over the weekend we had accidents in the house when i left him behind. i gave him a pre on the 71/2 day with the plan to give it to him every 8 days. didn't want to transition too quickly. i left him today for a few and no pee. Yippie!

i am concerns as well with his health but also feel he is in good hands with his vet. he diagnosed django with addisons and has been on top of things ever since. plus, this clinic is so hi-tech it is better than my doctors office!

we have other issues with our ittle guy, behavioral and this woman can help us with some areas we have lacked in training. i have learned thru past experience to take all the information in given by trainers and then pick and choose what works best for your dog. same goes with the forum, there is always some great information and if i can walk away with a bit more info on something then it's a great thing.

we go back to the vet in 2 weeks. will keep a log on everything that's going on with him and of course, do some more research on what could be going on with my little guy.
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Oh dear I hope you can figure out the problem. I know when I have had dogs on pred there have been bladder control issues. My little Bella even gets "roid rage". My Niki would get so embarrassed since she would lose control of her bladder. I hope the behavorist will help. In the mean time you may want to consider a bellyband to protect your furniture.

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he has never had an accident in the house and has never marked either. as a matter of fact, he got me up this morning at 3a.m. to let him out to pee. he pees in the house only when we leave him behind. he's confined to the kitchen so clean up is easy.
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As you suspect this is Django's SA...I am about to embark on the behaviorist effort with Lola who pees or poops in the house every time I leave her alone. I have tried drugs and training, but probably not in the most effective combo, so now it is on to the behaviorist. I look forward to hearing your progress, and will share ours as well.

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sounds great. and, this too shall pass! we will get thru it with flying colors.
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I know you have had a lot of stuff going on with django, but I am still really concerned about the excessive drinking. If it was only the urinating in the house I would be more convinced it was strictly behavioral.

I would suggest keeping track of just how many ounces a day he is drinking. Use a measuring cup to fill his bowl and write down the amounts each time and also track as well as possible the number of times he urinates. Also measure his food. Take this log record to the vet on his next appointment. Be sure to notate which days he received what medications.

This really sounds like diabetes insipidus to me. This form of diabetes does not cause elevated blood sugars like diabetes melitus does. Here is an excellent article on canine DI: The Other Diabetes

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thank you so much for the link. i am very concerned as well and am taking the next 2 weeks to monotor things. i have a log of peeing for the behaviorist which i will continue until we see the vet again. she told me she will be able to tell me based on his pattern if it's the medication/physical issue or SA etc. i have also noticed he pees more when he chews too many purina rawhides chickenflavor. i don't now if they have alot of salt and make him thirsty but we are starting to limit him to 1-2 a day and see.

i am going to see how things go now that we have added 2 days more between his prednisone dose and see if there is any change and no more accidents in the house. taking lots of notes until the next visit. i couldn't image putting a dog down because he has a urination issue whether it's behavioral or physical. makes me sad that people do these things.
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Me too, and I know you would never even entertain such an idea. I just thought it was a really good, factual article. I'm a retired nurse and while dogs and humans are, of course, very different, it is the same disease and similar causes and treatments in both.

Keeping a log is excellent. Just be sure you enter all meds and EVERYTHING he eats. Food, quantity and type...treats, quantity and type and the amount he drinks. Also all output...number of times he urinates if possible, if it seems a larger than usual amount, number of stools and any unusual characteristics to them.

Keep us updated on how things are going.

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