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Soft or Wire Crate?

We are looking for a show crate for Nino, and are not sure which route to go. We have already ruled out a hard-sided plastic crate due to the lack of airflow. Show venues can get hot, and I don't want to subject Nino to that.

That leaves soft and wire. While I prefer the look of soft crates and really like the fact that they are lightweight and good for travel and many have handles, I feel like I see wire more frequently at shows. I know most people at our training center use Sof-Krates for obedience trials. Nino loves crate time and doesn't dig and scratch to get out (even when left alone), so the ease of destruction of soft crates isn't worrying.

I would love to hear your preferences and why, especially from those who compete in conformation, obedience, rally, and agility and might have to crate your dog at venues for extended periods of time.

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I actually use a stroller. It's already on wheels so super easy to transport and maneuver than crates (even on dolly's). Plus more comfortable for the dog.
I use an ice pack cool pad, cool coat, cool collar, battery fans, water bottle for spritzing, frozen water bottle and plenty of cold water to keep her cool. We don't usually get extremely hot but I have used space blankets over the stroller if in direct sun.

The down side to soft crates is even if your dog stays in, if another dog goes after him or someone knocks into it, it doesn't offer the protection of a hard sided or wire crate. Although I know a lot of people who use them with no problems! (I always kept the strollers zipped shut all the time)

I used this one for my Hallie for years.
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I use this one now for Sophie.
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Bigger wheels so an easier ride for her and folds down for traveling.
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I prefer a wire crate due to the airflow factor. If other dogs are a concern a cover, be it custom sized or a sheet or blanket, can be put over the crate. Also, I use the folding double door crates with a front and side opening. Sometimes the crating/grooming area at a show or trial can get crowded. Having options as to how to get the dog in and out of the crate comes in handy on occasion.



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I prefer a wire crate due to the airflow factor. If other dogs are a concern a cover, be it custom sized or a sheet or blanket, can be put over the crate. Also, I use the folding double door crates with a front and side opening. Sometimes the crating/grooming area at a show or trial can get crowded. Having options as to how to get the dog in and out of the crate comes in handy on occasion.
The soft crate I'm looking at is almost fully mesh, so ventilation shouldn't be an issue for that one. It also has the double opening, plus an extra on the top. To be able to unload from all angles, even above, is ideal, and it's more difficult to find a wire crate that has a top door while still being high quality.
Our breeder is coming to puppy-k tonight, so we are going to see where she stands.

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We use a stroller in some applications, but Kodi is not happy in one unless I am RIGHT beside it... Too much motion, even with the wheels locked, when they move around in it. Also, of course, it doesn't work for multiples!

For trials and shows, I use soft sided crates like Petgear. I MUCH prefer soft crates with zip-up ends to those with the spring tension rods inside. They may work well for big dog crates, but in small crates, they are VERY stiff, and I've gotten my skin caught in them too many times! Yes, you do have to be aware of where you put your crates. But that's true no matter what containment system you use. Don't be so sure that Nino won't start to chew on a soft sided crate just because he doesn't now. Many get "creative" once they hit adolescence. Panda is not trustworthy, so, although I have a soft sided crate for her when she gets older, right now, she uses one of my old collapsible Nylabone crates. These are great, BTW, if you can snag yourself one on Ebay. They are plastic, but have TONS of ventilation, and collapse down nicely. They are expensive, even though (or maybe BECAUSE!) they are no longer made. IMO, wire crates are the worst of all worlds. They are heavy to move around, and you still need to cover them to keep the dog comfortable and protected from other dogs. Virtually everyone who trials keeps their dogs covered. They want their dogs to relax and rest between runs. A lot of the trials I go to are small, one or two ring trials, where you can park pretty clase, and I just make a couple of trips to the car... First for my stuff, then for the dogs. At the big shows held at fairgrounds, where the parking is at a distance, I have a folding wagon that I use to transport everything but the dogs. I still have to make a second trip for them: Mac Sports Folding Utility Cart (WTC-109) - Lawn & Utility Carts - Ace Hardware

Remember that you also need a safe containment system for your car. Right now, a soft sided airline carrier attached to the seatbeltis fine.as he gets older, you'll probably want mething else. My choice is Ruff Tough Kennels right now. When I get a small SUV with a fixed back seaat, I will probably upgrade the a Variokennel, but they win't work safely with my current car.

From what I've seen, "show people" use different "conveyances" than people who trial. Trial people almost always use crates. Most use soft sided crates, and a few, whose dogs won't stay in soft sided, use wire crates with covers.

Show people, if they have a number of dogs, and are really into it, either have a trolley with wire crates stacked on it, or these really nice multi-cage comtraptions with wheels, handles and a grooming surface on top. All the show people I know with one or two dogs use Mardel Wonderwheelers with a grooming table built on top: Mardel - Grooming Tables, Ringside Tables, Carts and More!. This gives you room for two small crates, your gear bag, and a grooming table, and you can wheel the whole thing in together. Most people use the plastic crates (they really do have adequate ventilation... The dogs don't get hot in them at indoor shows (I don't show outdoors ) but you CAN fit two of the smallest size wire crates on them instead.


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I actually use a stroller. It's already on wheels so super easy to transport and maneuver than crates (even on dolly's). Plus more comfortable for the dog.
I use an ice pack cool pad, cool coat, cool collar, battery fans, water bottle for spritzing, frozen water bottle and plenty of cold water to keep her cool. We don't usually get extremely hot but I have used space blankets over the stroller if in direct sun.

The down side to soft crates is even if your dog stays in, if another dog goes after him or someone knocks into it, it doesn't offer the protection of a hard sided or wire crate. Although I know a lot of people who use them with no problems! (I always kept the strollers zipped shut all the time)

I used this one for my Hallie for years.
Kittywalk 5th Ave Luxury Pet Stroller Blue 26 x 14 x 35.5" | TheDomesticPet.com

I use this one now for Sophie.
Gen7Pets G7 Jogger Pet Stroller : Target

Bigger wheels so an easier ride for her and folds down for traveling.
I was SOOO interested in the Kittywalk one when I just had Kodi, but never could get a clear answer whether it would fit a dog.

The one you have now is very similar to mine. It's big enough for both Girls comfortably... Kodi and one of the girls in a squeeze... But Kodi usually prefers his own for feet anyway!


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I was SOOO interested in the Kittywalk one when I just had Kodi, but never could get a clear answer whether it would fit a dog.

The one you have now is very similar to mine. It's big enough for both Girls comfortably... Kodi and one of the girls in a squeeze... But Kodi usually prefers his own for feet anyway!
They come in different sizes the one we had was really big inside, Hallie could easily walk from back covered "cabana" end to open end. We could comfortably fit 3 tweenie doxies in there. The big downside is it wasn't collapsible so took up a ton of space in the van.

LOL you need a pink one and a blue one that says boys only!

How do you like the utility cart? I have one but it's a bugger to steer. So it usually stays in the garage.
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They come in different sizes the one we had was really big inside, Hallie could easily walk from back covered "cabana" end to open end. We could comfortably fit 3 tweenie doxies in there. The big downside is it wasn't collapsible so took up a ton of space in the van.

LOL you need a pink one and a blue one that says boys only!

How do you like the utility cart? I have one but it's a bugger to steer. So it usually stays in the garage.
It's OK... It's totally depending on the distance we are from the building whether I want to bother with it or not. I can carry two crates and my training bag in one load, and take the dogs in a separate trip. If it's a long trial, and I need my chair and my lunch bag/cooler, it's three trips. So if the distance isn't fat, it's not bad. If I have to go a long way, particularly for a multi-day show, where I'll be leaving things set up, I can be easier to use the cart.


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I liked it at first too until I tried to get it from point A to B lol. I would use it for Hallie to ride in with all my heavy camera gear and her "comfort supplies' on photo shoots, or downtown at parades etc. I just can't get the thing to go where I want.
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I would prefer the wire crates and especially for a show because they do not obstruct air flow and the pet is able to see what's happening say a competition
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