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post #1 of 12 (permalink) Old 07-31-2016, 03:21 PM Thread Starter
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Very Unusual Occurance!!

We've been living with Havanese for over 20 years now, but I've never seen Anything like this before.

I was sitting in my chair, halfway dozing. I think there were nine adult Havanese in the house, all had been sleeping all over the place for maybe half an hour. All were very dead asleep.

Beside my chair, on a round bed, was our new puppy Zahzi (still working on the name), also stretched out sound asleep.

Zahzi evidently was dreaming, and made a sound I've never heard one make before. It sounded kind of like a little pig squealing, but in short bursts, and not very loud.

All OF A Sudden, Nike, the leader of the pack, let out one bark I'd never heard before. It was kind of a bugle call, two step, short note.

ALL the dogs jumped up and ran to the puppy. Nike was on top of the puppy, and all the other dogs were crowded in as close as they could get, all bodies touching. They were probably in a circle not over two feet in diameter. All were making the same loud, same octave, low, defensive growl.

The puppy woke up, but not completely, and was just looking around wondering what was going on. The first thing that came to my mind was John Travolta in the old TV show Welcome Back Cotter, when he would give a dumb look, and say, "Whut???"

It continued for probably ten seconds, and I told them that everything was okay, that the puppy was just dreaming. They all settled down, and went to find a place to go back to sleep, which they all did in short order.

Pam had been out at the barn, and missed it.

I had never seen any kind of reaction close to this before, and had never heard any of the noises they made.

We hear "experts" say sometimes that there is no such thing as Pack Dynamics in dogs. Pam and I just look at each other and laugh, saying that anyone who believes that has never lived in a pack of dogs.
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How cute is that? They all wanted to keep him safe!

I haven't heard anyone say there aren't pack dynamics, only that dogs often don't follow WOLF pack dynamics. Which makes sense from two perspectives. First, most of what was once thought to be true about wolf packs isn't, because the wolves they initially studied were captive populations of unrelated wolves who were forced together. Second, although from a genetic perspective, wolves and dogs are extremely closely related, they have definitely drifted away from wild wolves, with smaller dentition and other changes. They became, over time, primarily scavengers rather than predators, so it makes sense that their family (or "pack") dynamics would also shift somewhat. But I don't see how anyone who has lived with more than one dog can possibly say that there aren't a variety of dynamics going on within the group.
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Great story! Sweet pack taking care of their own.
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Tux (now 5 months old) was one of four siblings. I watched the videos of the pups together before they were sent to their forever homes. Each time a pup would whimper, Tux would crawl (not yet able to walk) to put a paw or his nose on the disturbed one. The other day I watched our neighbor's dog, Willy who is 13, very old and totally deaf, who didn't really know Tux very well, come between Tux and a very bouncy, aggressively playful Bichon. Tux was terrified, until Willy stepped in-between and kept the Bichon at bay. It was amazing to watch the protective pack instinct in process. Until that moment, and even after, Willy ignored Tux as if he weren't there. I was blown away.

As I become more familiar with dog body language, I see and understand them more. They are amazing creatures.
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Pretty neat how they were all there to protect the baby! 😊
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What an interesting mental picture to imagine, Tom! Would have been amazing to see; poor Pam, having missed it.

Sweet, that apparently the 9 adults went to the puppy's aid, I guess? They didn't run over to threaten the PUPPY, did they?

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Love that story..Not quite the same thing, but whenever there's disturbing sound, be outside while in the house, or on a walk, or in the dog park, Watson immediately goes to hump Lola....not really okay, and we're working on...but.....
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Thank you for sharing that story, Tom!

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yeah, tom . . . riiiigghht . . . and you're the only human to witness this event?
you sure you weren't sound asleep and dreaming?

that would have been fun to see!
supposed to have your cell handy to record these things!
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Thanks for sharing this great story to us.

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