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I know there are a million threads on this but I have a specific question about amounts to feed. Loki was eating kibble when he came from the breeders which I kept him on the first week. By the second week after Parvo and Giardia he came home from the hospital on I/D digest for a week. After that I wanted to keep on a mild wet so I started feeding him VeRus Chicken and Brown Rice which he likes. That was good because the 2 weeks after dental surgery he had to have wet food anyway. There is probably more dental issues in the future so I would just as soon keep wet food in his diet.

I know most people add raw to kibble but can I add it to the wet. I was thinking about the Primal freeze dried because you can feed it dry or rehydrated. I gave him a bit of a sample broken up as a treat and he ate it with no problem.

Question is how much wet to feed and how much raw? He is 16 weeks and 5 lbs. Also, should I stick to one protein or can I mix them? Thanks for the help.
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You can mix anything you want in his diet, though some people say to feed kibble and raw at separate meals. Both "wet" (I assume you mean canned" and raw (or rehydrated freeze dried raw) are better food than kibble.

In general, you want to use only one protein at a time, in case allergies develop, but you can certainly feed a chicken based canned food with a chicken based raw.

The ONLY way to figure out how uch to feed when changing from type or even brand of food to another is to do the math and figure out how many calories are in a specific quantity of each food. I keep my caculations in a file, so I can refer to them again as needed. You will find that kibble is usually the densest calorie-wise because it contains no water.
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You can mix anything you want in his diet, though some people say to feed kibble and raw at separate meals. Both "wet" (I assume you mean canned" and raw (or rehydrated freeze dried raw) are better food than kibble.

In general, you want to use only one protein at a time, in case allergies develop, but you can certainly feed a chicken based canned food with a chicken based raw.

The ONLY way to figure out how uch to feed when changing from type or even brand of food to another is to do the math and figure out how many calories are in a specific quantity of each food. I keep my caculations in a file, so I can refer to them again as needed. You will find that kibble is usually the densest calorie-wise because it contains no water.
Thanks. Now the question is how do I figure out how many calories a day he should have? I can do the math to figure out the specific quantities but I can't seem to find good info on the number of calories a day he should have as a growing puppy and then when he is grown?
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Primal freeze dried must have water added to it . see their feeding guidelines .

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Primal freeze dried must have water added to it . see their feeding guidelines .
I beg to differ. Both the packaging and the website have the following statement:

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Feeding Primal Freeze-Dried Formula is easy. Simply serve as is or rehydrate by adding water. To rehydrate, add 1 tablespoon of water for every nugget or cup of water for 4 nuggets. For best rehydrating results, break nugget into small pieces and mix thoroughly with water to force moisture into product.

Since I plan to serve mixed with wet (canned food) I don't know that it makes a huge difference since it will absorb moisture from the wet food. My other option may be Stella and Chewy's mixers.
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I also spoke to the people at Nature's Variety and they said the same thing. Their freeze dried raw can be consumed dry or wet. I use it as a topper to kibble and add some water to the whole thing. I do feed them dry when given as a treat. If I were only feeding a freeze dried raw diet I would add water because I would not want my dog to get dehydrated, as I worry about bladder stones or kidney problems down the road.
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I recommend the canned/moist food from ZiwiPeak. It's made from raw so you don't need to add air dried or freeze dried raw food to it.

I am not a proponent of mixing raw with kibble; instead, just feed all raw, much healthier.

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I beg to differ. Both the packaging and the website have the following statement:

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Feeding Primal Freeze-Dried Formula is easy. Simply serve as is or rehydrate by adding water. To rehydrate, add 1 tablespoon of water for every nugget or cup of water for 4 nuggets. For best rehydrating results, break nugget into small pieces and mix thoroughly with water to force moisture into product.

Since I plan to serve mixed with wet (canned food) I don't know that it makes a huge difference since it will absorb moisture from the wet food. My other option may be Stella and Chewy's mixers.
yeah it seems a little confusing. I would definitely go by this statement from them. Water is so important and the canned has it's own amount separately . here is another statement that I would go by . "Freeze-Dried Formulas
Because of the importance of moisture in a raw diet, we recommend rehydrating Freeze-Dried Formula for optimum nutrition absorption. To rehydrate, add 1 tablespoon of water for every nugget or 1/4 cup of water for 4 nuggets. For best rehydrating results, break nugget into small pieces and mix thoroughly with water to force moisture into product. Reference Nuggets in feeding calculator below for Freeze-Dried Formula feeding estimate".

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Every dog is going to have a different need in terms od of caloric intake, based on size, metabolism, exercise level, etc., plus, of course, whether they are growing or not. Kodi is 17 lbs and eats less on a daily basis than Pixel, who is 9 1/2 lbs. panda eats the same amount as Pixel and weighs 2 lbs more. I expect I will need to cut Panda down a bit now that she is finishing up growing. I'd feed Pixel more if she'd eat it, as she's a little thinner than I'd like.


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