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Allergic Pyoderma, Flea Allergy?

Oreo has been scratching and itchy since the day we got him, a month ago. The breeder initially thought it was dry skin due to too many baths the week before we picked him up. Long story short, by yesterday he had widespread bumps and scabs, with a big concentration in his shoulder area and chest. I took him to the vet, who diagnosed Allergic Pyoderma (bacterial infection) due to a yet to be determined allergen, but suspected flea allergy. He was started on oral antibiotic (Clavamox), twice a week bathing with Malaseb (antibiotic/antifungal), and a mild topical steroid for the most intense areas. He was already on Revolution for flea/heartworm prevention, but she also gave him a dose of Nexgard. (I had found one flea on him, and the groomer found another). I read some old threads about pups with Pyoderma, and wondered how they ended up faring long term. I have friends with dogs with flea allergies, and it sounds like quite a long (and expensive) battle. I am so upset that my 16 week old baby is already dealing with this!
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Kodi had puppy pyoderma twice, though not quite as young's your guy, and I don't remember ANY itching along with it. He does have food intolerances, and had a bad reaction to his last Rabies shot, so now has a waiver for that, and we titer for the other vaccines. But he does just fine!

Not sure that helps in your situation though, since my vet said nothing about the pyoderma being caused by allergies when he got. He said it was a common bacteria found even in the soil, and if it got into the skin through any small scratch or whatever, it could set up an infection. I believe it is usually a staph infection.
This article says that the most common cause is puppyhood, itself:

Puppy Pyoderma | Skin Infection in Puppy | petMD

I do know we had to delay Kodi's neutering by a few weeks, because the vet said it wasn't safe to cut through the infected skin.


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Karen, I did read your earlier posts about Pyoderma, and I am glad Kodi's resolved. What puzzles me about Oreo, is that while he does have some redness and a couple of places on his belly, the worst of his bumps and scabs are on his very hairy shoulders, neck and upper chest. He is actually loosing some hair from it. The vet thinks that an allergic condition caused the itching, and that all his scratching led to broken skin which allowed the bacteria to enter. I am going to change his food, but the vet thinks it is more likely an outdoor allergen, especially since the breeder said he wasn't itchy there where he had never been outside, but was eating the same food. He spent one night between the breeder and me at a home in the country where he did go outside, and was scratching all the way home from there. I hope we are lucky and Oreo's will go away when he matures!
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Bless Oreo's heart!! Our first dog as a married couple (so 1988) was a pug named Frisco; he was allergic to fleas, and when he scratched, he developed a staph infection which then became a yeast (fungal) infection. Every time we treated the yeast, he would pick up a flea somewhere, scratch it, then go back into a bacterial infection. We'd treat the bacterial, and boom, he'd spin into a yeast infection. BUT the vet said he believed Frisco had some type of autoimmune disorder too, which was probably the real culprit more than anything. We were not able to treat Frisco successfully, unfortunately, and he was always vacillating between being dry/itchy/red and moist/itchy/greasy. His skin became blackened and dark over time, and his smell was as foul as his mood.

I am not trying to alarm you, as there is no reason to think Oreo has an autoimmune disorder in addition to a flea allergy, and besides, it was the constant, unstoppable cycling of bacterial-fungal-bacterial infections that caused Frisco's problems. Plus, they have a lot of medications now that they didn't have back then in the dark ages.

I hope Oreo gets well soon! He's too cute to be itchy!
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That is the kind of scenario that I am worried about. Hopefully he will be like Kodi and outgrow whatever is causing this!
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I'm sorry you and Oreo have to go through this rough patch. I was using Revolution on Scout and Truffles up until last month. My husband always checks them for fleas daily! He would occasionally find one. I think the Revolution was never completely absorbed because of their coat, especially on Scout. I was hesitant giving them oral flea and tick medication. It's been exactly one month since they were given Nexguard and Interceptor Plus and he hasn't found one flea. Hoping the Nexguard helps Oreo too!
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Guess. What. Mayzie has puppy pyoderma too! She and her buddy Oreo are just taking this trend thing much too seriously!

I had been noticing Mayzie was much more itchy since she got her most recent immunization a week or so ago. And I had noticed she was losing hair some too (I even wondered if the black patches which are showing up on her back and rib area were just from hair loss instead of coat changing color - still don't know). I took her to the vet today, and he showed me a little redness on her stomach, said her skin was very dry, and smelled some way which was significant to him. He gave her a shot of an antihistamine, a prescription for oral Biomox, and a shampoo called PhytoVet P Anti-Itch to use weekly.

I told the vet about the experience I had with Frisco (my pug who got into a staph/yeast cycle), and he acknowledged that can happen but said pugs have a worse time with it than Havanese (which his mom owns, lucky me!). I am just trying to remind myself this is very common and try not to remember Frisco's experience all those years ago.

Is Oreo faring any better now?


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