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We had a presentation last night at our monthly, local Dog Owners Group (D.O.G. of which Ricky Ricardo is the founder). The guest speaker owns a local pet store that specializes in"holistic" pet food. She says she is a self educated expert in homeopathy! She provided a hierarchy of pet foods in terms of nutritional value. From lowest to highest:
- kibble
- canned food
- dehydrated
- freeze dried
- raw

She said if a dog has a loose stool, don't feed rice, feed all natural pumpkin. She also said that small fish like sardines and anchovies are better for dogs than large fish species because they have less potential for harmful chemical buildup in their flesh.

In answer to questions, she said that Fromms is the best kibble although it gets moldy after one to three weeks depending on the environment and storage conditions. (Royal Canin one of the worst which is what Ricky's breeder had him on when we brought him home) I asked about Ricky's diet of Honest Kitchen. She said that HK is excellent for nutrition, ease of preparation, and relatively moderate price but it can get moldy too under some conditions. She said she feeds her dogs a raw diet of Raw Bistro which she thinks is the best dog food right now. The problems with Raw Bistro is that it is VERY expensive, doesn't transport easily, and must be refrigerated.

I said Ricky's Vet is not a fan of raw diets for the following reasons:
1. There are no "independent" studies or research that raw diets are better (yes, I know some on this forum will produce some studies but not necessarily independent or approved)
2. He says he sees more gastro problems with dogs on a raw diet than those that aren't (for the record, I tried Darwin's raw diet with Ricky, introduced in the recommended way, and he got very ill with yellow vomit and very runny diarrhea for a week with expensive tests and Vet bills. I put him back on Honest Kitchen and he was back to normal in a couple of days.)
3. Raw diets are a potential and real source of salmonella and other bacteria poisoning to humans if not handled very carefully.
The speaker said she was not a fan of my Vet!

I present this information here for background only. I don't take a position one way or another on any diet other than to say Ricky and I are happy with his Honest Kitchen Preference diet and we will keep it that way.

Now the guest speaker has me thinking whether I want to keep Ricky on his monthly Advantix applications (she is very opposed to these kinds of chemicals). Again, there are pros and cons to the treatment.

I am ultimately responsible for Ricky and his health despite what a guest speaker or the Vet might say. Sometimes this dog thing can be overwhelming!

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Thank you for all this information. I use Honest Kitchen too but I use the one that comes with protein already in it. (HK Verve) Willow loves it. I didn't realize, however, that it could get moldy. I keep it in a tupperware type storage container so it doesn't run any chance of getting moist. I've been buying the 10 lb. box and it will last several months before I need to reorder. Popi, how long do you keep yours on hand before reordering? Maybe the one I use with the protein already added wouldn't be inclined to get moldy.



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Great read above.

I'm very happy with Darwin's frozen raw food. Emmie is very healthy on it and I love that it makes her poops small and non-smelly and her fur shiny. When we're away from home I feed her ZiwiPeak or Honest Kichen and I buy the smallest package to minimize product spoilage. I too am not a fan of kibble and had issues with it when Emmie was a puppy.

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Thank you for this information Ricky's Popi! I've been researching food for Ella. Right now she eats kibble that I researched on dog food advisor and is highly rated. She doesn't love it and I have to doctor it up to get her to eat it (with the doctoring she licks the bowl clean.) I will be switching her food away from puppy formula soon and want to make a good choice for her. I'm a first time dog owner and had no idea dog food was so complex!!!!
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sone truth some fiction some personal preference.

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she left out one of the best food types which is home cooked. Here is a more complete list .
From Best to Worst - My NEW Rankings of 13 Pet Foods
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Thank you for all this information. I use Honest Kitchen too but I use the one that comes with protein already in it. (HK Verve) Willow loves it. I didn't realize, however, that it could get moldy. I keep it in a tupperware type storage container so it doesn't run any chance of getting moist. I've been buying the 10 lb. box and it will last several months before I need to reorder. Popi, how long do you keep yours on hand before reordering? Maybe the one I use with the protein already added wouldn't be inclined to get moldy.
I would contact the people at THK directly, and ask them about the best ways to store it and for how long it can be safely stored. I have found them to be extremely responsive, and nice to deal with. If it weren't for Kodi's allergies, which really mean he needs to be on a limited ingredient diet, I'd use it for all three of mine.


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I didn't realize, however, that it could get moldy. I keep it in a tupperware type storage container so it doesn't run any chance of getting moist. I've been buying the 10 lb. box and it will last several months before I need to reorder. Popi, how long do you keep yours on hand before reordering?
Keeping HK in a tightly sealed container is better than I do and probably helps to prevent contamination. I purchase HK Preference in a 7lb. box and I probably keep it too long. I will start purchasing in a smaller quantity and replace more often. I am going to take Karen's suggestion and call HK direct to get their recommendation for storage.

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Right now she eats kibble that I researched on dog food advisor and is highly rated.
Interesting you bring this up! I asked about Dog Food Advisor last night and bow wow did I open a can of worms. The guest speaker is NOT a fan of Dog Food Advisor! She knows the owner of the site, Michael, who is a people dentist in real life. She said, how else can he give his list away free? She said the Dog Food Advisor website is for sale for about $6 million right now.

She recommends a different website, TruthAboutPetFood She said, Susan, the owner gets no kickbacks from the dog food industry. Consequently, she has to sell her list which costs $10 for a copy and is not as extensive as the DFA list.

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I will be switching her food away from puppy formula soon
Guest speaker said that "puppy formulas" are essentially the same as "adult formulas." She said it is just a marketing tool to get the consumer to pay more for dog food than they should. She said regular dog food, of whatever type, works just fine for puppies, maybe even better.

Our guest speaker said that she sells all the five types of dog food listed above but just the ones of highest quality. She does carry Fromm's, Honest Kitchen, and Raw Bistro in her store, as well as several other brands. She said that different foods are appropriate for different dogs based on the individual dog, the owner's, budget, the owner's lifestyle, and the owner's preferences. She said there is no one best dog food for all dogs.......it depends and is circumstantial.

So proceed with caution, knowledge is your friend.

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be careful what you say when not sure of the facts. It is true that Michael is not a nutritionist and that's why i don't follow his guidelines but i wouldn't say he's getting paid somehow by pet food companies. I do like Susan 's site and read it daily.

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She recommends a different website, TruthAboutDogFood She said, Susan, the owner gets no kickbacks from the dog food industry. Consequently, she has to sell her list which costs $10 for a copy and is not as extensive as the DFA list.
That link doesn't work; instead, this is correct one:

http://truthaboutpetfood.com/
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