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Solvit Harness Sizing

Does anyone use the Solvit safety harness for the car? Do you think a size small would be too big for Olive? She's currently about 8lbs. A lot of reviews say that it can be very bulky for small dogs < 10 lbs. I'm looking for a safer option for Olive when taking her in the car. She currently just rides in the back seat without any restraint.
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I use the Solvit harness for Cassie, particularly when riding as a passenger in another car. She rides in back seat in a human lap with seatbelt thru the harness loops. I like that you can run a seatbelt thru the large loops on the back, rather than use extension. It is bulky so we only use it for car travel (in my own car, she rides in a car crate) as I doubt it would be comfortable for walking. I bought it when she was about six or seven months, size small, and she was probably 8 or 9 pounds. It still fits fine at just under 12 pounds, as straps adjustable.

I should emphase that I have only used it as a harness when riding in someone's lap...not sure how it works otherwise.

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Most harnesses don't pass a crash test, a crate is typically a safer way to go if you can. I use a ruff tuff kennel for Sophie and have it strapped down tight to the seat. I don't like wire crates in cars as they can break apart in a wreck with all those wires like daggers to the dog. The plastic ones like vari-kennel also can explode in a bad wreck. The ruff tuff (and variocage is another) are unlikely to be too damaged. But still crates offer more protection in most cases than harnesses.

There are better harnesses these days still not ideal but definitely better than riding loose. Here is a link with different brands being crash tested, the solve-it video is at the bottom of the page it was one of the worst performers, although they were using a large dog size for the demo.

2013 Harness Crash Test Videos - Center for Pet Safety

These tests were from 2013 but at that time Sleepypod Clickit Utility was rated the best.
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Most harnesses don't pass a crash test, a crate is typically a safer way to go if you can. I use a ruff tuff kennel for Sophie and have it strapped down tight to the seat. I don't like wire crates in cars as they can break apart in a wreck with all those wires like daggers to the dog. The plastic ones like vari-kennel also can explode in a bad wreck. The ruff tuff (and variocage is another) are unlikely to be too damaged. But still crates offer more protection in most cases than harnesses.

There are better harnesses these days still not ideal but definitely better than riding loose. Here is a link with different brands being crash tested, the solve-it video is at the bottom of the page it was one of the worst performers, although they were using a large dog size for the demo.

2013 Harness Crash Test Videos - Center for Pet Safety

These tests were from 2013 but at that time Sleepypod Clickit Utility was rated the best.
Wow! That solvit test video looked horrible. I'll check out the Clickit or Ruff Tuff.
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I don't know how old you are but I can remember the good old days as a kid where I just had a dog, fed him those rubbery gaines burgers all his life, never went to the vet, encouraged him to leap off the back of the couch all the time (he was a mini doxie!!!!!!!!) never a sick day in his life and lived to be 17.

Now you practically have to have a PhD to raise a dog
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I was under impression Solvit was redesigned since 2013.(The caption for the video mentioned has the word "original" inserted. The current version has a 2015 crash test on its website...how reliable this test was (done by some other testing company) isn't clear.) This from dogster article discussing the issue. i think the quote from Solvit re the best is a crate restrained by teters on floor is correct but better to use something when that is not possible. When we use the Solvit harness in other cars where no crate is possible, it is definitely safer than the harnesses which attach to the collor or thru a lead attached to seatbelt.

"Sleepypod isn’t the only company that has recently redesigned its product, though. After seeing how its dog harnesses performed in the 2013 crash testing, Solvit Products started extensive testing to strengthen its restraint.

Patrick Hoffman, owner and president of Solvit Products, explains, “There is quite a bit of engineering that goes into it [designing a harness]. We might have spent $50,000 on testing. We went through many many iterations of redesign on this product to get the strength higher.”

Hoffman points out that the safest way for your dog to travel in the vehicle is in a travel crate tethered to the floorboard. If that isn’t possible, then the harness-style restraint is the next best thing. Solvit’s Deluxe Car Seat Harness allows for different levels of safety based on an owner’s overall goal. If the consumer wants to go beyond restraining for driver distraction, they can add a three point attachment accessory for a safer ride for their pup. A crash test video of a 75-pound dummy dog using the Deluxe Car Seat Harness with the LATCH attachments, which are sold separately, on each side of the dog can be found on the company’s website."

So..if you can't use the top line crates that attach to floor, use something!!!

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That's good to know, it seems in the last couple of years there has been a lot more testing on safety harnesses.
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The problem with ALL harnesses, if you watch the test videos, is that even with those which restrain the dog, the torque on the dog's neck in a accident is SO severe, I don't hin, the dog could survive. In fact, I know a Pappilon who died in a crash in a Solvit harness. And the dog didn't impact any part of the car, it was internal injuries from the harness which caused him to have to be put to sleep when he was taken to the ER. (His owner also died in the crash, so admittedly, it was a bad one)

The other problem with SMALL Havanese and Solvits is that, at least in our case, even the smallest one, tightend down as small as you can make it, doesn't kepp Pixel in for more than 5 seconds. Dave likes her to ride in the car with him, without crating her. (She is always crated if she's with me) I insisted that he AT LEAST use a harness if he wouldn't out her in a crate, so we bought her a Solvit. As I said, she wiggled out of it in seconds. Total fail with her! so now he puts her in a crate too.


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That's funny you would say that Karen! When I took these two on a walk this afternoon Sophie was in her crate in the van as usual but Athena doesn't have a crate yet. She just now started wanting (demanding!!! LOL) to go with us and has discovered how exciting walks can be. So she has been loose in the back of the van last 2 trips to the park. today I put her in a regular harness and hooked it to the seat belt on the bench seat in the back so she's at least have something until I can get her something better. I looked in the rearview mirror and she was gumming the snap trying to chew thru (but no teeth ) and then POP she was out like a greased piglet. She stayed in the exact same spot and didn't move I guess she just wanted to know she was free So she'll be getting a crate soon also.
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Just to add more complexity, the Ruff Tough Crate mentioned above failed the 2015 CPS crash test..

"Of the six crates and eight carriers tested, Gunner Kennels' G1 Intermediate crate with 8-inch tie-down straps was named the 2015 Top Performing Crate ($485); the PetEgo Forma Frame Jet Set carrier with ISOFIX-Latch connection ($140-$160) and the Sleepypod Mobile Pet Bed with the PPRS Handilock ($159.99 to $179.99) were the 2015 Top Performing Carriers. These products were deemed crashworthy because they met the test criteria of containing the test pet before, during and after the crash test, and the crate/carrier and all connection points remained connected to the test bench or cargo area for the duration of the test.
Higher-priced test crates included 4pets' Proline Milan, MIM Safe's Variocage Single and Roto Mold's Ruff Tough Kennel, which all failed. The carriers that failed the tests were the PetBuckle Auto Kennel Restraint, the Snoozer Roll Around Travel Dog Carrier Backpack 4-in-1, the Petmate Compass dog carrier, the Petmate Vari Kennel plastic carrier, the Kurgo Wander carrier and the PetEgo Pet Tube."

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Read more at https://www.cars.com/articles/center...5duWWYxHGOV.99

The detailed description of how the Ruff Tough crate failed is here, near bottom. 2015 Crate Study Results - Center for Pet Safety

It makes it hard to make informed choices these days!!!
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