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Westminster Best In Show , REALLY?

All I find wrong with dog shows and confirmation breeding came to fruition with the CONFIRMING of Westminsters 2017 Best In Show winner .a German Shepherd Dog . What a disgrace . We have taken a once beautiful and physically healthy breed and bred it to a handicapped and unhealthy specimen. Just another example of breeding to extremes. And yet this goes on with hardly a word from so many of us around the world. My grandfather, who brought the first GSD to Canada would be disgusted to see what's happened to much of this breed.

ABC article Can the German Shepherd Be Saved? - ABC News


Mueller Leerburg Dog Training | Balance Problems With the American Show German Shepherd

And The Kennel Club (UK) has more of the same Pedigree Dogs Exposed - The Blog: German Shepherds - have they seen the light?
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coming to a show near you.

Pedigree Dogs Exposed - The Blog: GSD winner "among the worst I have ever seen" says world's leading locomotion expert
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That was my first reaction after seeing the winner too! It is so sad for the dogs! I don't understand why the AKC and other kennel clubs aren't doing something about this.
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While I don't completely disagree with you, I would hardly consider an entity as grossly biased as Pedigree Dogs Exposed a worthy source of information. Come on.

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It breaks my heart when I see German Shepherd dogs with back legs that look deformed. I don't get how that's considered the optimum body type and will win the biggest shows.
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On the other hand, I do consider Leerburg a credible and non-biased source. Do we really even need to read about what's happening to the GSD or any of the other "distorted" breeds? Its plain to see, even for non dog people!

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I am no dog expert by any means- my Lil Girly is my first dog as an adult and we had one mutt in my childhood.
As I watched the BIS event, I thought Rumor did have a lovely, if not regal presence (not is size/shape but her spirit)... I did however take a mental note that she looked vastly different from the GSD I lived next door to as teen in the late 70's though mid 80's. He was owned by our neighbor who was a policeman and was so well trained. I was always in awe of how smart he was; he knew his property boundaries and would pace around them daily without a leash and not run off or go into the street. (unlike our mutt that ran off every chance he got!)He was an awesome dog to live next door to. Rumor looked much smaller and I was thinking I did not remember my neighbor dog being so extremely low to the ground in the back end. Now that I read the articles, I wonder is that because he was a "working dog" bred to different standard, or was this long enough ago that breeding to an "extreme" conformation had not yet taken place. What year did your grandfather bring the 1st GSD to Canada? What an interesting family history Dave.
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I don't know much about German Shepherd dogs. My dad had a couple at different times. I don't remember them ever moving like that or their back-ends seeming so low. When seeing them in the show, I thought it was weird, but probably my lack of knowledge. Really, I watched Westminster because I love to see dogs, and don't know much about what makes any one dog better than another. They all seem like wonderful dogs to me. Except that poodle, it looked kind of evil.... Breeds being changed in unhealthy ways for showing is really sad. I hope that doesn't happen with Havanese. I love seeing all the different colors and sizes and variety of coats of our lovelies.


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I am no dog expert by any means- my Lil Girly is my first dog as an adult and we had one mutt in my childhood.
As I watched the BIS event, I thought Rumor did have a lovely, if not regal presence (not is size/shape but her spirit)... I did however take a mental note that she looked vastly different from the GSD I lived next door to as teen in the late 70's though mid 80's. He was owned by our neighbor who was a policeman and was so well trained. I was always in awe of how smart he was; he knew his property boundaries and would pace around them daily without a leash and not run off or go into the street. (unlike our mutt that ran off every chance he got!)He was an awesome dog to live next door to. Rumor looked much smaller and I was thinking I did not remember my neighbor dog being so extremely low to the ground in the back end. Now that I read the articles, I wonder is that because he was a "working dog" bred to different standard, or was this long enough ago that breeding to an "extreme" conformation had not yet taken place. What year did your grandfather bring the 1st GSD to Canada? What an interesting family history Dave.
Back then the breed had NOT become as extreme as it is now, but it was already heading in that direction, and already there were "working lines" and "show lines". Now, the REAL "working line" GSD's look like a different breed from the show ring GSD's. But that's also true of "field bred" Labs and Goldens, and "working" Border Collies vs. the show ring models. The dogs probably LEAST affected of those I've mentioned are the BC's, where the show ring versions are bred to be less intense (to withstand all the crating and sitting around a show dog needs to) and with a MUCH fluffier coat. Show ring Labs and Goldens are MUCH thicker set and generally larger, and the Goldens have much more coat than the field bred versions.

But it is the GSD's that they have ruined so badly looking for extreme gait. They remind me of what has been done (mechanically, rather than through genetics) to Tennessee Walking Horses.

That's why so many people looking for working dogs for IPO and Mondioring choose the Belgian breeds instead. At least so far, those dogs have not been ruined physically the way GSD's have. Unfortunately, many also don't have the stable temperament of the best GSD's either.


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yeah , I have spent countless hours trying to get the history of my grandfather's dog. All records if there were any are not around. My father told me the story how my grandfather got one of four dogs that came to New York. Three went to the U.S. and his came to Canada. Asta was her name and that's all I've got as everyone is dead now. I have one picture here.
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