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Hello everyone. I have many months to go before getting a Hav puppy and I'm using this time to plan and purchase supplies. This will be my first Havanese, but second dog (who passed away 2 years ago) It’s been 15 years since a puppy. I do have the Focused puppy book – which helps a lot!
My question - we want to train our dog to potty outside. So if I use an ex-pen for “independence” training when I am there (so I can do house chores or whatnot) – I should NOT put potty pads within the ex-pen – is that correct? Because if I use potty pads, that will just confuse the puppy. So, would the use of ex-pen still be a good idea? (I will still need to be very diligent in taking puppy outside)
I only want to use the ex-pen if the dog pottied outside and I can watch him. I plan on crate training (from day 1) for when we leave the house. Some background - I work at home full time and my husband works at home 3 days a week. I will be the primary caretaker. I realize we'll need to take puppy out after meals, snacks, drinking water, playing inside, etc. Plus, every 30 minutes to ensure no accidents. We plan on crate training from day 1 as well (and I'll have to make a real effort to ensure to leave the house to really accomplish this training so puppy feels comfortable alone). I have not used an ex-pen before – I gave too much freedom to my first dog and it took a year to potty train him! This time around, I hope to fine tune this part as much as I can. Your feedback will be appreciated.
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I will defer to the others because I think we didn't crate train the best because Shama's crate was within her ex pen and we never confined her to a really small space in the name of teaching her to wait to potty outside. She had access to a Ritchell training tray at the begininng while we were at work even though a dog walker came at noon, but we eventually got rid of the training tray and put a fluffy bed in its place. Now she very rarely goes into her crate as she prefers the fluffy bed or the alley between her crate and the side of the ex pen. She hasn't had an accident within her ex pen at our house since she was very young (she did have an accident in the ex pen at my parents' house last fall when we overslept and didn't hear barking to go out). We do love having the ex pen as Shama can stay in her little apartment while we're at work and because we can take the ex pen with us when we go places overnight.

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Here's a great resource for you to read before your puppy arrives:

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And for after the puppy arrives:

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Hopefully the others will reply more directly to your post.

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With our Leo we did not put a pee pad in his expen, however, one of us was always with him so he could let us know if he needed to go out. He would not pottt in his expen. He had a specific very urgent bark when he needed to potty. He also came to work with me and had an expen there as well. We took him out very frequently for many months.
With Rex we used a Ugodog potty tray in his expen. He used it from the beginning. As he got older and could hold it longer, he began waiting until he could go outside and only occasionally using the potty tray. Now at 17 months he almost never uses it. It has been a couple months since he had used it at all. I leave it in his expen where he hangs out when we can't watch him. Both Leo and Rexhad less than a handful of accidents while they were learning expected potty habits but close supervision and consistent routines as well as praise/treats for appropriate pottying helped them figure out what we expected.
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Thank you for your responses! I just realized another twist that I'm looking to get help with - I forgot that the Breeder I'm going with - uses indoor potty piddle pads with the Richell Paw Trax. Does this mean I won't be able to train my dog to potty outside? Or does it just mean I should continue this method until our dog is fully reliable outside? Thanks so much again.
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You can start training for outside from the beginning but keep an indoor tray in the expen as well. Praise the use of both. As your puppy gets older you will most likely see that he gravitated more and more to using the outdoors. At some point around a year or so you will find that he really doesn't use the indoor option at all and you can put it away. I expect that you will find that by 8-9 months his use of the indoor option decreases a lot. The indoor option does give you a bit more freedom as they are growing up because you know the puppy can get to an acceptable potty option while you are away from home.
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Here's what Shama used, except hers was pink.




When we noticed the pads within the tray weren't being used, and when we wanted to put the fluffy bed in the space that had been occupied by the tray (following her spay), we got rid of the tray. Now she potties outside except for on the rare occasion when we miss her signal that she wants to go outside. (Then we thank our lucky stars for Nature's Miracle Urine Destroyer!)

I have heard that dogs normally prefer to potty outside if given the choice . . .

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Dogs are smart, and I think people forget that sometimes. Nino was fully trained for pads and litter when he came home at 12 weeks. He never had any issue going potty outside (Pottying on grass is pretty natural for dogs ). The pee pads ensured that he always had a potty option in case we didn't hear his signal (or when he didn't have one). Because of the pads, he had maybe 12 accidents during potty training. Probably fewer. For awhile now he has been a strictly outside pottier by his own choice, but he will use a pad if necessary which is amazing for travel and hotel stays.
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Sassy has been trained to pad/potty tray (in her ex-pen) and has done really well. At 16 weeks she's reliable enough to be allowed into the carpeted areas of our house with some supervision. That said, she's already beginning to choose outside over inside of her own volition. Raffy wasn't much different and is about 99% on going outside. He still uses a pad/tray on occasion, but it's very rare, and is usually when it's just TOO wet outside for his highness. Funny enough, my 8 year old cockapoo who was never indoor potty-trained will use a pad now if she can't get outside for whatever reason. She was incredibly difficult to keep consistent with potty training, especially during the winter. I wish I'd known about indoor options when she was a puppy.

Essentially, the indoor option has helped all of our dogs be more successful at not having accidents, even if they prefer to go outside most of the time.


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I used a crate to train Molly to go potty outside. I also used an expen as a place to put her after she had pottied to give her more space than the crate - when I couldn't keep eyes on her every minute. This worked out well for us. When she did have an accident in the house it was in the pen however, never the crate. I don't know how the weather is where you live but you may want to consider keeping the indoor option available inside the pen for now. There have been many horrible weather days here when I wish I had this option for Molly. I finally did have to set up an emergency potty area in the basement. I laid down a tarp under her expen and covered the floor with newspapers(she would shred potty pads). She is ok with using this set up when it is not practical to go outside to potty.
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Thank you everyone for your feedback - invaluable! I'm in Southern Maine and yes - we get lots of snow. So I appreciate the feedback regarding terrible weather and an inside ex-pen option. Two years ago when during a blizzard, it took 20 minutes just to put boots on my dog, his coat and hat (in his last year - he wouldn't go potty at all outside in bad weather - he just refused, but would have nothing to do with any inside potty area either because he didn't have that option as a puppy).
He had to go 4 -5 times a day. We had to shovel out a large enough area for him to potty in the backyard as well because he wouldn't go if it was too small of an area. In any event, it was tiring, but a labor of love. As much as my husband doesn't like the idea of an inside ex-pen potty area, it may be helpful at times as I'm reading everyone's responses. I always thought though it was an all or none and the dog would get confused. But as long as a potty option is available only inside the ex-pen when in there (and I'll still be taking puppy out every 30 minutes), then it won't be as confusing as I thought.

Thank you again everyone. More questions to come. I'll look at previous threads so to minimize duplicate questions!
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