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Which Shampoo-White on White or Crystal White?

I need to get some shampoo for Willow. In reading prior posts, I've decided on a whitening shampoo and then the Spectrum 10 conditioner. However, I'm seeing posts about two different whitening shampoos and am wondering which you all prefer. First there is CC's product called White on White and then another product by EZ Groom called Chrystal White. Can anyone advise what the differences are and which one you prefer? Thanks!



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I alternate between these two and BioGroom Super White. Super White and White on White are comparable, and both work by using blueing... Which is the way we deal with staining on white horses. Biogroom is a bit cheaper, but more "perfumy".

Crystal White works differently. IT contains no blueing, but claims to get rid of protein stains using enzymes. I know a lot of show people who swear by it. But I haven't found that it is all that effective. I have a gallon bottle of it, though, so I keep using it in rotation.

The blueing based ones definitely will not remove serious protein stains (like those on beards and under eyes on light faced dogs) but they do make the coat dazzling white in areas that are not badly stained.


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I've used White on White for Rexy's feet and I like it. I haven't used Crystal White.


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BTW, it's fine to use any of these on even the colored parts of a dog's coat. None of them contain bleach. The blueing based ones (White on White and Super White) both make blacks very shiny and sparkly. I haven't seen that Crystal White does a lot one way or the other in the short run.


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We use Crystal White concentrate, full strength, on Ricky's stains. It lightens them but doesn't eliminate them. As I have said before, face washing twice a day after meals works best to eliminate eye and beard stains.

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Thanks for all the info. I was on CC's website looking at the White on White. I read on one of the Amazon reviews that it was a concentrate but can find no mention of being a concentrate that needs mixing with water on CC's website. So, is it or isn't it? Also on CC's website there is a "Caution" stating that it may over correct and leave a greyish tint at the ends for the hair if left on too long. Has anyone seen this happen? How long do you actually leave it on before rinsing? 10 minutes seems to long!
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I would proceed cautiously beginning with 2-3 minutes then longer if needed to remove or lighten stains.


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Thanks for all the info. I was on CC's website looking at the White on White. I read on one of the Amazon reviews that it was a concentrate but can find no mention of being a concentrate that needs mixing with water on CC's website. So, is it or isn't it? Also on CC's website there is a "Caution" stating that it may over correct and leave a greyish tint at the ends for the hair if left on too long. Has anyone seen this happen? How long do you actually leave it on before rinsing? 10 minutes seems to long!
It CAN be diluted, but certainly doesn't NEED to be. I dilute it first, pouring all over the dog, which is what I do with ANY shampoo, since plain water tends to slide over the surface and not wet the coat through, unless you spend a long time spraying them (my goal is to get baths done as quickly as possible! ) Then I take the shampoo, full strength, and rub it into legs, tail and skirt hair... the places that are likely to get dingy. Unless they re REALLY bad, I just rinse it right back out. If I am dealing with serious staining, like after Panda is in heat, I apply it full strength, warp the dog in a towel and wait 5 minutes, then rinse. But honestly, I'm much more apt to use Crystal white for long treatments... And then you are supposed to heat the Crystal White in the microwave, then massage it into the stained areas, wrap, wait for (I believe 7 minutes... the directions are on the bottle) then finish shampooing as usual.

I've never had a whitening (blueing) DOG shampoo turn the dog grayish. Someone told me that many people use a blueing people shampoo from Sally's on their show dogs, for just the last wash before a show. I tried it on Kodi once, without realizing that THAT one HAS to be diluted... I turned him purple! He looked like my 5th grade math teacher!!! I stick to the dog ones now!


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Honestly, I haven't found ANY shampoo that REALLY "removes" stains. I think you just have to wash them much more frequently, and let the stained areas grow out.

I did learn a tip from the show people when you HAVE to remove bad stains, but it's really hard on the coat. I'd never use it on a "pet" dog, and on a show dog, you SURE don't want to do it often. You mix 50/50 Proline Self-Rinse shampoo with hydrogen peroxide, and rub that into JUT the stained area... No where else. Let it sit for about 2 minutes, then rinse. This will DEFINITELY lighten stains, because peroxide is a bleach, though a mild one. HOWEVER, you have to be ABSOLUTELY certain you don't get it in the dog's eyes, and really, REALLY condition the hair afterwards. I've only done it a couple of times (again, to get the stains out of Panda's butt after she was in heat when she was showing in conformation) and I was warned that you can damage the coat to the point that it starts to break off if you use it more than VERY infrequently.


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I use White on White and have never had a problem with greying of white areas at all. I do the same as Karen and mix some with water in a pitcher, and pour it over the entire dog. Then I put non-diluted shampoo on feet and face (white/stained parts), rub it in, and let it soak while I wash the rest of the dog thoroughly. I've never tried any other whitening shampoos, so I can't say how well they work. This has been enough for Raffy up to now, but we're having new staining issues since Sassy came along and Raffy is obsessed with grooming her face. When she first came home with us, she was squatting really low to go potty and I had to wash her rear/lady bits every other day. Even with that, I had to use the White on White about once a week to get the pee staining out. She's taller now so it's no longer an issue.


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