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I switched my dog from Health extension little bites/orijen puppy food to blue buffalo longevity and since I started him on the new food he has been experiencing soft stools. Any suggestions?
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you probably switched too fast. Here's an article http://www.dogfoodproject.com/index....eeding_puppies

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My big dog, Kara, an anatolian, she's always had a sensitive tummy. when she has loose poop, for a variety of reasons, I give her human digestive enzymes (broad spectrum), and/or probiotics, to ease her digestive track. any health food store would have them, in a wide variety.

My 1/2 hav pup gets pretty bad gas when he eats beef, even two bites, so sometimes, if I remember, I give him 1 digestive enzyme, and he doesn't have gas, and consequently has better poop.

one of each, given right before a meal should to the trick, for 3-4 days.

digestive enzymes help digest the food in the stomach. a broad spectrum digestive enzyme will have a mix of enzymes to cover most foods. You can get diary specific and other formulations, you'll have to ask at your health food store. probiotics work in the colon, it's the good bacteria that aid digestion in the that part of the body.

Folks might not believe in them, but one time Kara had a REALLY bad case of the runs. good appetite and energy level. so I gave her I think 3 of each (she's 125 lbs), and she had great poop. but every time I tapered it off (after 3-4 days), which is all she usually needs, her runs would come back, just as bad. after 3 weeks of it, I finally brought in a stool sample to the
vet. she had Giardia. only symptom was the runs, and the digestive enzymes and probiotics neutralized that. for me, that made me a believer.

Pumpkin firms the stools as well (you can buy pumpkin pie filling)...
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Pumpkin firms the stools as well (you can buy pumpkin pie filling)...
I was told the opposite... To feed pumpkin if your dog is constipated...


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wow really? I've had 3 different vets till me to use pumpkin to firm the stools. also for different dogs, different times.

I'm getting my pup fixed tomorrow I'll ask that vet.
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Surprisingly, I have read that pumpkin actually works to normalize the stool from both directions (i.e. will help relieve diarrhea and constipation).
Make sure it is just plain pumpkin though and not the sweetened/spiced pie filling!

http://factoidz.com/my-dog-wont-poop...n-or-diarrhea/
(Not that this particular site is one that I can vouch for in terms of quality but I have read it in several places.)

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My big dog, Kara, an anatolian, she's always had a sensitive tummy. when she has loose poop, for a variety of reasons, I give her human digestive enzymes (broad spectrum), and/or probiotics, to ease her digestive track. any health food store would have them, in a wide variety.

My 1/2 hav pup gets pretty bad gas when he eats beef, even two bites, so sometimes, if I remember, I give him 1 digestive enzyme, and he doesn't have gas, and consequently has better poop.

one of each, given right before a meal should to the trick, for 3-4 days.

digestive enzymes help digest the food in the stomach. a broad spectrum digestive enzyme will have a mix of enzymes to cover most foods. You can get diary specific and other formulations, you'll have to ask at your health food store. probiotics work in the colon, it's the good bacteria that aid digestion in the that part of the body.

Folks might not believe in them, but one time Kara had a REALLY bad case of the runs. good appetite and energy level. so I gave her I think 3 of each (she's 125 lbs), and she had great poop. but every time I tapered it off (after 3-4 days), which is all she usually needs, her runs would come back, just as bad. after 3 weeks of it, I finally brought in a stool sample to the
vet. she had Giardia. only symptom was the runs, and the digestive enzymes and probiotics neutralized that. for me, that made me a believer.

Pumpkin firms the stools as well (you can buy pumpkin pie filling)...
Sabine doesn't recommend digestive enzymes. probiotics yes. Here's her article
Digestive Enzymes
(e.g. “Prozyme”, “In Clover Fresh Digest / OptaGest”, “D-Zymes”, “Total-Zymes”,
“Biozyme” and so on
Digestive enzyme products are widely marketed as something your dog “needs” if you are
feeding a commercial diet. The truth is far from that – the stomach and pancreas of a normal,
healthy dog produce sufficient enzymes to digest quality food, even if it is processed. If someone
isn’t feeding a quality food, it would be healthier to switch to a better product rather than spending
extra money on a digestive enzyme blend.
The concept of marketing these products comes from the livestock industry, where the
digestibility of especially poor quality, cheap feed can be enhanced by added digestive aids to
actually be usable for growth and fattening while still maintaining a good profit margin. It may
sound insane, but with the right supplementation, cows can even eat shredded paper and utilize
its constituents.
This is called the “least cost principle” of feeding: making the largest possible profit (salable meat
on a carcass) with the smallest possible investment of resources.
Many companies billing themselves as “holistic” tout numerous benefits of enzymes but at the
same time do not distinguish between digestive enzymes and systemic/metabolic enzymes.
The only circumstances under which I would recommend using a digestive enzyme product is
when a dog needs short-term support (digestive upset, stress, debilitating illness) or cannot
produce sufficient enzymes on his own anymore.
You should also know that many digestive enzymes are made from species of molds grown on an
industrial scale, so if you have an allergic or sensitive dog, they may contribute to reactions,
especially if a dog is allergic to molds. This also applies to commercial dry foods containing
enzyme supplements.

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Surprisingly, I have read that pumpkin actually works to normalize the stool from both directions (i.e. will help relieve diarrhea and constipation).
Make sure it is just plain pumpkin though and not the sweetened/spiced pie filling!

http://factoidz.com/my-dog-wont-poop...n-or-diarrhea/
(Not that this particular site is one that I can vouch for in terms of quality but I have read it in several places.)
We have used canned pumpkin (not pumpkin pie mix) for both diarrhea and constipation in Tucker. It's a miracle food for both of those issues.
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Thank you. His poop seems to be okay today. The Vet said when you introduce a new food do it gradually otherwise they do tend to get diarrhea. In what form is the broad spectrum digestive enzyme?
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capsule. It's a little big for hav's, but I use a syringe with some water to wash it down. Or a little veg oil (lub it) to help it slide down. In my experience it's easier to put the capsule or pill on the side of the tongue. For me, if I put it straight down the middle and it doesn't go back far enough, the dog has an easy time spitting it out. I gave up on pill pockets and the butter or peanut butter approach, my dogs just swirl it around in their mouths and spit a clean pill or capsule out. These other options may work for your dog though.

You can research the brand and where it comes from (probiotics and digestive enzymes) online and talk to the folks at the health food store. Neither is cheap. I like the brand Jarro for probiotics, specifically the genetically engineered to live at room temp. with a double coated capsule so it makes it to the intestines alive and intact (the live probiotics will die in the stomach juices or acid if the capsule disintegrates in the stomach). It is the most expensive.

For health food supplements, for human of canine, there's gonna be a pro and con, you just do your research, the forum is great, and see what works for you.

before when I mentioned pumpkin pie filling, there are usually two kinds in the store, the seasoned with spices, and then just plain pumpkin filling, but they are both in the pie filling section. FWIW, my holisitc vet says if you can't find the plain filling the seasoned filling won't hurt the dog, obviously the plain filling is optimal, as stated by other posters.

glad to hear the poop is better. nothing like the doggie runs!
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