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Help - I am frustrated with my Havanese

Hi - I have a beautiful Havanese dog. Leo is 1 year and 8 months old. We have had him since he was 12 weeks old. We got him from breeder who I now see on this forum is not recommended at all. Leo is a clean and beautiful havanese. He was brown and white when we got him. Now he is nearly all white with light golden brown highlights and green eyes. Our family loves him. But I am the main caregiver in my house. I have 3 children ages 5-12. Leo is so hard to house train. I feel like I am in the same place as I was months ago. He is anxious and therefore is unpleasant when we have guests. Especially men. I have worked with him on training and have had a trainer work with him and us all. I am still so frustrated and very tired of taking him out and having him not go. I don't have all day to be in and out with him. I crate him when I am gone and at night. I crate him when he doesn't go. It's sometimes like he is waiting to come inside and go inside. And I love this dog - but feel like I can't deal with this nor accidents for the next many years.

I would love advice or help.
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I will take him off your hands. Rosie is being a brat about the potty thing also. Just goes with the territory with small dogs. She will use the pee pads; but don't take one up and forget to put it back down. And she will not use it if it is soiled. she will go beside it. I keep vinegar and paper towels near by. We are in the midst of going outside all the time. She goes everytime I put her out--but won't poop outside. Rosie is 16 months old now.
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Not sure if it will work or if it's what you mean but when you take him out, but my trainer basically said, stay in one place you want him to go at the beggining of the walk and wait for him to go don't let him walk or play until he does. Then after he goes reward him and then walk him or whatever. That way he will learn if I don't go I can't do what I want. It seemed to work for Gizmo pretty fast. She had to stay near me (short leash and as soon as she went I gave her a treat and then we walked and she got to play on a long leash, next time we went out she went immediately then started trying to pull ahead )
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Not sure if it will work or if it's what you mean but when you take him out, but my trainer basically said, stay in one place you want him to go at the beggining of the walk and wait for him to go don't let him walk or play until he does. Then after he goes reward him and then walk him or whatever. That way he will learn if I don't go I can't do what I want. It seemed to work for Gizmo pretty fast. She had to stay near me (short leash and as soon as she went I gave her a treat and then we walked and she got to play on a long leash, next time we went out she went immediately then started trying to pull ahead )
We did this with Daisy and Beau, but also used the trigger phrase "go potty" so they associate it with the act. As soon as they peed, we'd say "good potty!" and act very excited! When we take them outside, we'll tell them "go potty" and they start sniffing around looking for the right spot (whatever THAT is!) to go..... But it does speed things up, especially if we're going in the car!

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I just finished potty training my pup about 2 months ago. He has had 3 accidents in the last 10 weeks. He has a pattern, which took me awhile to figure out. He actually isn't having an accident, he knows perfectly well what he's doing. It's in the middle of the night or early morning, he doesn't like the cold, so he goes #2 in the spare, empty room, and it's 1/2 the distance than if he were to walk outside to the backyard (door is always open).

call him lazy, a pup of convenience, or simply a bad choice.

I'm sure there's a pattern to your dog too. can you share what you've done up until then?

I'm a little different, I have a big dog, and the door to my backyard is always open, unless it's cold out, or they are barking like mad in the middle of the night, then I lock them inside for the night. but that's maybe 4-5 nights a year.

Ollie, my 1/2 hav pup was my first, and reading up about how hard the little guys are to potty train had me scared. plus it's my first real puppy, all my other dogs were rescues and came trained

anyway it wasn't that bad. I all I did was when I first got Ollie, he was paper trained already, but he had an accident right by the sliding glass door to the yard, so I put a pee pad there. woke up in the middle of the night till 16 weeks old and took him to the pee pad and said go pottie, then went back to bed...I had 2 pads in different locations in the house (one in the spare bedroom, which I think is his justification for still going there). He wouldn't poop on the same pad he peed on, but I have hardwood floors and his poop is small.

I got down to one pad, then started moving it outside, a couple of feet, each time he went pee, till I got to the grass.

He hasn't had any #1 accidents since 16 weeks old. it's always poop, usually if it's loose, and it's always in the wee hours in the morning (3-6 am). I'm off in the summer, and I usually walk the dogs 1st thing (6am) but I'm sleeping in, so I think I've messed up my pup for the time being, but he's only had 1 accident since I've been on a different schedule.

The way I 'broke' him from pooping in the spare room (he would do it almost every other day for a while) was I put these crystals all over the room floor on foil, to confuse his sense of smell. two weeks of it and he stopped.

Repel Away is the product that is a perfumy water based crystal:

http://www.google.com/products?rlz=1...ed=0CCwQrQQwAg

For me, the important thing was when Ollie made a mistake, I never ever punished him or had a bad vibe going his way. I tried really hard to remain calm and flat, neutral.

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Start with trigger words when you take him out after being crated all night. Tell him its "Potty time" and make it sound like a party. Be willing to stay outside that first time until he goes and immediately give hive him a high reward treat (a small pice of turkey dog worked for mine). Then several times during the day, say "Its Potty time" and respond the same way. Leo should get the message in a shjort time.
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Wow - thank you every one. I am so amazed by how many of you are here and active. It feels better knowing it is not just me. Well - to start off - Leo goes outside in the morning and is pretty reliable. We have potty words that work for pee but not as well for poop. It is in the middle of the day he is least reliable - will go into my sons' room to pee, recently the family room. He picks a quiet spot in the front of the house for poop. He sits by the front door which is where we take him out which may be confusing to us as if he has signs we miss them unless we are upstairs and he jumps off the bed in the evening. I think if he is out of the crate at night (sometimes before we crate him he jumps off the bed and goes under the bed right smack in the middle where we can't reach him.)

I love the crystals for the room he mostly chooses. I am going to get those a.s.a.p.

Does any one know if this completely stops (or for the most part - at least) or are some Havanese simply unreliable?

Also - any more ideas for barking and nipping at strangers and friends in the house.

By the way - Leo is great crated if we are out and at night. He doesn't love getting into the crate. But in the morning we can hardly get him out. And he is always fine during the day. He isn't always in during the day as I am home with him.

Well - can't think of anything else right now.
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You likely already know this but the other trick is simply not letting him out of your sight especially during the trouble times. Watch him like a hawk and when he wanders off or starts the body language take him out. Kipling is still not allowed run of the house. He is with someone at all times. We use a leash if we need to but this has become less and less of an issue as he will stay where we can see him. Good luck!

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Just generally, he sounds insecure. You need to do things to build his confidence, tricks are great for that. Even if he only sits for you, give him a really awesome treat. roasted chicken, my guy loves duck jerky. It's like crack to him.

Barking - it depends why he's barking. is he barking b/c he is defending his territory from strangers, is he alerting you? How long does he bark? only when ppl come over? My little guy doesn't ever hardly bark. My big dog on the other hand... but she barks very reliably on perceived threats, so I can't really argue with her, and she's a guard dog by breed, it's in her blood.

My little guy nipped at heels, only when he didn't want you to walk away from him. It was a playful thing. but he drew blood on my ankle one time. not cool. that and I didn't like that he was pulling on pant legs. My trainer recommended a prompt timeout. every time it happened, 3-5 minutes. Just scoop him up and put him in a timeout.

My petsmart carries the repel away crystals, if you have one nearby. they begin to wear out in 3-4 days. so be sure to replace them, and put it right where he likes to go. I think any where in the house would work (the actual spot, and a couple crystal piles nearby so he just doesn' take a step over and go 1 foot next to it).

I personally think potty training is out responisbility not the dog. little dogs are a little harder but it's not breed specific. we as owners need to be patient and consisitent. You know his pattern, and where his accidents happen. you need to (I know you probably work), work with what he's giving you, and figure out his signals. My little guy has 1 signal when he really needs to poop and we're in a store or something. He has a specific whine, which he does once, MAYBE twice. If I miss the signal, he'll poop the first chance he gets, where ever he is.
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I think the best advice I could offer you as far as housebreaking is this:

1: Clean up any area that he has soiled immediantly. When you think it is clean..it probably isn't to him. Their sense of smell is very strong compared to us and it must be cleaned with a regular dog mess cleaner.

2: Restrict his area. If you can not watch him like a hawk then he should be crated. Your eyes should never wander off of him much. If he tends to sneak off and potty in a bedroom....close that off. If you are in a kitchen...he is in the kitchen....blocked off from every other area in your house.

3: Whatever trigger word you decide to use--be consistant. Say the same thing each and every time....such as "go potty" etc.

It takes time and YOU being very very consistant and persistant. If he isn't housebroke he shouldn't be running all over the house....or have any access to anything at night. I was diligent with my guy (almost anal about it) and he never spent one night outside of his crate till he was over a year old. If I didn't trust him,he still wouldn't be! Be firm and positive. He will "get" it but restrictive space and diligence on your part will be the key to him finally being "trustable" and turning into the dog you want him to be. It isn't mean or cruel...it is housebreaking. It can seem kinda cold hearted but it is not. It must be firm and consistant to pay off in the end.

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