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post #1 of 26 (permalink) Old 07-19-2017, 12:21 AM Thread Starter
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Perry joins the limping club

This morning Perry joined the limping club. I was holding him, put him down, but have to admit that I often let him jump/ slide out of my arms when he's about a foot from the ground (I know, I know! but he jumps further than that from the couch/ bed/ etc so I don't really think about it.) He doesn't seem to be in pain, I can move it around, push on it, etc - but he won't walk on it (occasionally puts it down briefly but little/ no weight on it).

I've called the vet, but she can't come til this afternoon (my husband is home with him so will keep an eye on him til then) - I thought about trying another vet, but she was recommended and deals with a lot of the expat dogs and the only other vet I trust that way is a man and Perry was absolutely terrified of even getting close to him the last time. I'm really hoping it's not as serious as several of you have faced because there are, as far as I can find out (need to ask around more, maybe at the vet school), no orthopedic vet surgeons here in Kampala - and if there are I can almost guarantee you that they've never done surgery on a small dog like Perry. I have to admit to being a little freaked out (more so because I read this forum - if I didn't I'd probably just think he pulled something slightly or strained it)
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Oh no....Hopefully the little guy just strained a muscle.

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Oh no....Hopefully the little guy just strained a muscle.
The vet is pretty sure that it's a muscle strain - she can't find any sign that he'd dislocated his hip and it's not his cruciated ligament. However, another problem here - none of the vet clinics have their own x-ray, so we have to use a human clinic (and the one that will let her x-ray only does it early morning on certain days), so I'm waiting to hear when/ where we can get it done. She doesn't think it's a break, but I think I'll be happier doing an x-ray anyway to be sure.

He's on crate rest (he's patient about it so far but I feel extremely guilty for him being in his crate all day!) Yesterday when I got home from work (went home early), I took him out of the crate for a little while before the vet got there and the silly boy tried to jump on the couch, and landed on the hip. That's been the only time so far that there's any indication of pain - a horrible combination of whimper, growl, yelp, cry that I do not want to hear again! That stopped after a minute or so, but from now on he's in his crate, on a leash to go outside or in my arms (thank goodness they're so small!) But it does make it harder that it doesn't seem to hurt - she would push and pull and prod with basically no reaction from him except the very slightest wince when she would palpitate the muscles on the underside of his left thigh and pulling his legs in to his chest when he's lying on his back and she would reach for his feet.

This morning he's still not putting weight on it, except (and not sure there's a lot of weight, but it is on the ground) when he's peeing - standing kind of in a show stance (stretched back) both back feet are on the ground. Otherwise he's still hopping around not using that leg.
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Don't worry! I bet it's just a muscle I was freaking out the other week over Duke from a jumping incident. Took him to the vet and the same thing as Perry really didn't react. He has been fine now for a week. PS his limping did last almost two weeks! So just make sure you are taking it easy on Perry, no jumping off the couch, no running around, perhaps don't want him for a while. This might sound weird... but try giving him a massage haha I'm sort of a dog masseuse I will give my puppers a good old massage every morning when he wakes up he LOVES its! gets all this muscles moving and waking up!

Let us know the outcome! I don't think you have to worry this happens to little guys.

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was the joint medication suggested?/ if they think it is joint related?
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was the joint medication suggested?/ if they think it is joint related?
No joint medication was suggested. As of right now the vet thinks that it's a muscle strain, but we've got an xray scheduled for Saturday morning (earliest we could get him into the human clinic to do it) just to be safe.

He's still not walking on it at all, though I did notice yesterday that he was letting it touch the ground (but immediately pulling it up again) when he's standing still.

I really don't know how some of you went through weeks of crate rest/ no jumping/ no running! I'm only on day 3 and I have no idea how I will get through weeks of this. It may sound funny, but it would actually help if it hurt him a little bit - even on a leash he'll still try to jump or stand on his back legs (sitting on the couch with me yesterday he tried to stand on his back legs/ front legs on the back of the couch to look over it at my husband) so I've got to keep him basically on my lap or in his crate all the time and he is waaaaay too restless to sit quietly when I have him out of the crate/ on my lap - he wants to explore, he wants to play, he wants to jump off the couch and get some toys (but not play on the couch with the toys I bring him, of course not!)
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It's very difficult to keep them quiet! After eight weeks Scout knows to wait for us to carry him on the stairs. Poor little guy has been in his crate or leashed to us at all times. I give him a sedative if he gets too excited. Six more weeks too go...

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How are things going with Perry?
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We did some xrays on saturday - everything normal in the knee and hip (and bones in between ) so looks like it is just a muscle strain. However, I'll feel better about it when he actually starts putting more pressure on it. He is putting a little more every day - last two days he rests it on the ground when he stands still (though don't think there's much pressure on it). So, for now it's crate rest, on the leash with me (very short leash because he still thinks it's ok to jump up on his back legs - to see over the couch, etc)
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Had the vet over again yesterday. After just over a week, Perry is putting some pressure on the leg, but still not walking on it (putting it down when he stands and putting pressure on it, but not even pressure). Plus, a day or two ago I started to hear it crack/ pop (once or twice when I moved him and a couple of times when he moved it). It sounded like the knee to me. Quick google search said possibly related to cruciate ligament (but he doesn't have any pain which is generally associated with that), meniscus, luxating patella OR it could just happen (sometimes things crack).

The vet examined it more, did feel the cracking (but can't figure out exactly where it's from) but is pretty sure it's not the ligament or the patella (it wasn't moving at all as she manipulated the leg) and despite not using it, when you manipulate it, it isn't causing any pain at all.

So, end result - still not exactly sure what's wrong, probably still a muscle strain (though I am not sure if that explains the cracking) AND she's said we're probably looking at 8 weeks or crate rest. I also have to be more diligent on keeping him on a tight leash when he's out of the crate. He's doing fine in his crate, no fussing, no whining or barking. I want to be able to let him out more, but whenever he's out of his crate - on his leash, sitting beside me on the couch with a pile of toys - all he wants to do is run and jump around - this is where he ends up whining and barking, etc. The vet doesn't have any light sedatives which could chill him out - all she has is the ones that knock them out for 8 hours or so (can't remember the name - but it's the ones they used to use when they would sedate an animal for travel).

I just hate him being in his crate for 20+ hours a day. I'm not convinced he's getting enough water (though I moisten his food and I can tether his leash when I'm in the kitchen so he has access to his water bowl there, but he will dump his water dish if it's in his crate so can't leave him water all day), we can't really do any training and I think he's sliding backwards on his relationship with my husband which was slowly improving. So, I'm feeling guilty and incredibly frustrated.
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