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Going to my first show, question about sutures in mouth?

Hi, everyone!

Glory (my first show dog) and I are going to our first show in Reno, NV next week. The only problem is that Glory's baby teeth (upper ones) have not fallen even though her adult teeth have grown beside them. My vet and I are trying to decide when to pull her teeth (either this week before the show or next week after the show) because we aren't sure if she'll get points off for having sutures in her mouth.

She's almost 7 months so they do need to come out, so should I go ahead and have her teeth pulled? I'm thinking at this point I'm going to the show regardless and I do need the experience also. It's not like she's going to be a champion on her first round. Does anyone know what the rules are?

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Your vet puts sutures in after pulling baby teeth?

Maggxonn, I'm not going to answer this question here, only because you really, really need to know where to look on your own because you're going to come across a couple of things like this while you're showing Glory. With showing, you don't need to know the order of competition (you can ask the ring steward to help you with that, just stay close), but you do need to know the breed standard and the AKC rules.

Go to AKC.org and look up the conformation show rules (& guidelines?) as well as the standard.
You can also find the standard at havanese.org.

Please don't take this wrong. You just need to know both of those things for yourself because others will give you a lot of misinformation (even unknowingly or unintentionally). It is for your own benefit.
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It's not like she's going to be a champion on her first round. Does anyone know what the rules are?

Thanks!
I agree with Kimberly. Before showing you do need to read the rule book.

You may be surprised. Some dogs do get their championship in the first shows or very close to it.

Good luck

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Why does the vet want to put sutures in after pulling her baby teeth? just curious, never heard that, ever.

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Why does the vet want to put sutures in after pulling her baby teeth? just curious, never heard that, ever.
If the adult tooth is still above the puppy tooth, there is no need for sutures because the adult tooth will move down to fill the spot where the puppy tooth was. However, if the adult tooth has already come in (or started to come in) at another location, the puppy tooth needs to be pulled and sutures need to be used in order for the gums to heal properly. It's a very similar process to what happens when a human has their wisdom teeth removed

Personally, I would say to have the teeth done regardless. The health of the dog should be absolute first priority for anyone, whether you own a pet or show dog. It's not in the dog's best interest to have the puppy teeth remain after 6 months of age, especially once the replacement adult teeth have already started to descend at another location.

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HI-
I think you were asking about what the rules were regarding stitches in the mouth at a show, not what the show rules are, right? At least that's the way I read it-
I have never had to have canines pulled, but I know other breeders that have, and their vets have never put stitches in- Is there any way your vet can do it without stitches? Or can you wait until after the show to have it done?
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I think you were asking about what the rules were regarding stitches in the mouth at a show, not what the show rules are, right? At least that's the way I read it-
I have never had to have canines pulled, but I know other breeders that have, and their vets have never put stitches in- Is there any way your vet can do it without stitches? Or can you wait until after the show to have it done?
Best of luck at your first show!!
You are right on, as I was wondering how the rules applied to stitches in her gums. On the AKC website, there are some things allowed like if the dog breaks a leg and needed to have surgery. But there was no mention of stitches in the mouth. I guess the best place to call would be the AKC.

Regarding the stitches, my vet said it was a possibility that he may have to cut part of her gum to pull the teeth out if he can't pull it outright. So, he wouldn't know until the time he had to do it.
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If the adult tooth is still above the puppy tooth, there is no need for sutures because the adult tooth will move down to fill the spot where the puppy tooth was. However, if the adult tooth has already come in (or started to come in) at another location, the puppy tooth needs to be pulled and sutures need to be used in order for the gums to heal properly. It's a very similar process to what happens when a human has their wisdom teeth removed

Personally, I would say to have the teeth done regardless. The health of the dog should be absolute first priority for anyone, whether you own a pet or show dog. It's not in the dog's best interest to have the puppy teeth remain after 6 months of age, especially once the replacement adult teeth have already started to descend at another location.

I totally agree that the health of the dog should come first, but I was only trying to decide when to do it, either before or after the Reno show. I am definitely going to have the two teeth pulled but I'm leaning more towards after the Reno show.
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Wouldn't it be a fault to have new canines coming in when the puppy canines are still there? I don't know, but that might be a question to ask, too!

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Fault? Yes.
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