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question regarding crying sounds

Question: what does it mean?

Sometimes when Zippy is quietly playing with one of his favorite toys, always a plush toy with a squeeker, he makes little crying sounds. When we (I and DH) hear these sounds, we think that something is wrong. But when we check on Zippy, he is quietly playing with the toy, basically lying on top of it, or nudging it with his nose.

Zippy does has a strong prey drive, but this behavior manifests itself by Zippy taking a toy in his mouth and vigorously shaking it with his head, or sometimes he pushes the plush toy under his belly, or at times he even turns his back on it and literally shoves his rear end into the toy.

I'm no doggy psychiatrist, so I can't tell what the cries mean. Is it possible that he thinks he killed the toy and now he's sad because the toy can't play with him?
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Holli, I am not sure what it means but both Evye and Taylor do that. Taylor makes some pretty odd sounds and does the shaking thing. Evye makes the sounds, does the shaking and then "possess" it.

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Holli, I will watch with great interest on the replies from others. I know when my boys wrestle with each other, cash sort of wimpers, but he is not getting hurt, in fact it is usually when he is being the aggressor. they are not really cries, some where between a cry, a growl and a meow!!!LOL how you guys doing?




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This probably isn't the same thing, but we used to get our non-hav, Hannah plush toys with squeakers (we stopped getting them because she tore them to shreds to quickly). Anyway, she would make these little high pitched noises while playing with a toy. This is the only time she's ever made those noises. My theory ended up being that she was imitating the squeaker noise. She wouldn't be happy until she got the squeaker out of the toy and then she would play with it (the plastic squeaker) until I took it away - choking hazard. Another strange thing was that she hated toys with duck sounding squeakers. She doesn't really play with toys anymore now that she has Lilly. lol
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This is utterly unscientific, so take it for what it's worth. Maybe the puppy is trying to get the toy to interact with him, thus the little crying sounds. I know my boys made those sounds occasionally when playing or trying to instigate play with each other

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Since Nellie has arrived,Dizzie makes a high pitched yapping noise as if he is pretending to be a puppy himself,and they both make the strangest play growling sound when they are rough housing together.

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how you guys doing?
We're doing great. This year Zippy stayed with Christin (his groomer/babysitter/Godmother) while we spent a month up in Maine, and he was sooooo much happier in Methuen, Ma. than in Island Falls, Me. He had a fantastic time playing with all of her pets (4 dogs & 2 cats), especially the 4 month old bearded collie puppy, which has got me thinking that maybe now, Zippy is ready for a little brother or sister. But I haven't convinced DH yet ... but there's a long time between now and the spring.
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HOLLI!!! It's been too long since we've heard from you and one of my favorite Havs, Zippy!

I think dogs do feel sad, but they don't "cry" like humans do. I would guess it is part of Zippy's play and communicating with the toy. Or they are simply happy, content sounds.
I'm so glad to hear he had a great time with his groomer and friends.




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Hi Holli, I think you answered your own question. This is typical prey drive. Some will simply growl when doing this. The crying is probably just his way of expressing his excitement. The shaking of it is his trying to kill the toy, ie break it's neck. LOL Yeah every dog has a degree of prey drive , some breeds like Border Collies a lot. My Molly has a fairly strong prey drive. She chases and shakes anything you throw. Real killers these havanese. LOL If what the history says about them is true, they were supposedly used for herding chickens so ,the trait came along with the ride. You should be glad for him, it's a great form of play and stress release. Most dog breeds have lost the final couple of stages of prey drive , ie. killing and consuming , over time because it has been selectively bred out of most breeds. If you want an excellent DVD on this topic, here is the best one. http://www.dogwise.com/ItemDetails.cfm?ID=dtb888

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On another note , there is this thing called predatory drift. And the reason I mention it,is that small dogs are at danger when they trigger predatory drift in larger dogs. Here is an article by Jean Donaldson also.

Predatory Drift
Even dogs that are not usually into hunting-type activities may have predatory reflexes triggered if the situation is close enough to a predator-prey interaction. A good example is when one dog flees from another. The rapidly retreating animal looks like prey. Another example is when a doggie argument occurs and one dog panics and begins to vocalize or struggle like a prey animal. A predatory reflex in the other dog may then kick in. When this happens, it’s called predatory drift – what began as a social interaction drifted into a predator-prey interaction. Predatory drift frequently results in serious injuries or death to the dog that is struggling and panicking. This is because the prey killing reflex is a much more serious kind of bite – often a grab and shake - than that which occurs in a regular dogfight.

The risk of predatory drift is greatly increased when there is a significant size difference between the two dogs arguing. For this reason, all interactions between very large and very small dogs should be closely supervised, especially if there is reason to expect any arguing. The risk goes higher still if the smaller dog is prone to panic and/or the larger dog has demonstrated any predatory propensities. Because of this risk, many animal rescues use a “50% rule” in its adoption policy – the smaller of two dogs must be at least half the weight of the larger dog.

Courtesy of the San Francisco SPCA

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