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Help! Vet just gave us Hills ZD for allergies

Hi All,
I need your help. Pepper has had allergies for all of his 3 years. I just got back from yet another trip to the vet and they have put him on Hill's ZD. From forum reading, I understand that Hill's is a pretty poor dog food and I was never going to have my guys on it. Can anyone tell me they've actually had success against allergies using ZD? I would love to believe this is going to help him, but am so worried about all the negative stuff I've read about Hills food.
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Tess was on Ultra ZD for about 8 months while we were doing an elimination diet. I know Science Diet is rated poorly but I think there have been a number of people who have posted that the prescription formulas are okay. Give it a try...hopefully it helps.

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Hi Laura, if you haven't found out from the vet after three years, I would be concerned. You need a nutritionist not a vet in my opinion. I bet this is something he sells in the clinic. I'll be honest, the vast majority of vets, know squat about nutriton. I would highly recommend Sabine at Better Dog Care. Quite reasonable , very informative and she will recommend something much better I'm sure. I can't say enough about her expertice. Here's one of her websites. http://www.betterdogcare.com/?page=about Everything can be done online.

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You can call your vet and see if they can recommend something comparable, or research a few things and find something on your own ..
I really don't know too much about the hills zd, but there is bound to be another option available ..

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What he is allergic to? environmental? food? seasonal vs. constant? If it is a food allergy, could you just avoid that ingredient?

My old border collie had seasonal allergies and got really itchy. I did fish oil pills for a while. They helped. Then I discovered that the food he used had a sweet potato and herring flavor. Now I add a 5lb. bag of that to every 30 lb of other flavors. It really helped and gave both doggies glossy hair and fish breath.

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My vet uses Hills and it has really helped dogs I have cared for. Hills has several formulas that are used for different things and it might be worth a try to just keep him on it and see if there are any improvements at least till you find something that he does not have a reaction to.

As I was growing up on a farm....any dogs we had ate table scraps (no kibble at all) and lived long healthy lives. I wouldn't worry too much.

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I'm a retired vet tech and we had lots of dogs on the z/d diets and it helped tremendously! the owners of those dogs wouldn't be without it believe me. I would see first hand how it helped.
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Laura,

Have you consulted a homeopathic/holistic vet??? If not, I think it would be a great idea to have another opinion. Here's the one I found in your area.

http://animalhealingcenter.com/

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Hi Laura , here's a letter from Sabine, if you are interested, you can contact her.

" As a rule I don't like prescription diets - they are made from poor quality ingredients (some worse than others) and fraught by the same problems as mass market non-prescription food.

If the dog actually reacts to specific meat proteins, ZD can work, because it has its protein broken down into molecules small enough so the body can't recognize them. However, protein aside, it still contains the same ingredients as mainstream foods (right down to additives and minerals), and if any of these are what causes reactions, the approach will fail. Plus you're still feeding the dog a crappy food.

I have successfully worked with several clients whose dogs were put on ZD by vets who aren't well informed enough about nutrition to offer a better approach. We performed a proper elimination diet (no commercial food, prescription or otherwise), determined what foods were tolerated, and then I developed a balanced homemade feeding plan from the "safe to feed" items.

If the owners have the patience to work through the issues and are committed to feeding homemade food, things work out well.

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Thanks so much everyone! Given your responses and others I found online, I am going to use the Z/D for the test period. That might give us some info and perhaps some relief.

Next step is either scratch or blood testing for allergies to determine the specific causes. Scratch is more invasive but I'd heard that blood was not as accurate. Anyone have any info about that?

It seems from the canine research that food is actually not a primary allergy! and the nasty additives we all like to avoid don't make the top 20 list of dog allergies at all (but of course any one dog can be different...)

Another option we may pursue is going to a novel protein (bison, one of the very few options I have given all the wonderful treats we've used ): ) elimination diet. My previous vet thought that would be great and he's the one who got Pepper on a really large daily doze of salmon oil which does help (along with med baths and a bunch of other things). I did get a diet plan from Sabine last year but it hasn't helped with the allergies (another reason to think it's probably not food related). One thing for sure, I won't keep him on a Hills product long term.

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