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post #1 of 48 (permalink) Old 09-20-2010, 11:44 PM Thread Starter
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What are the odds that I accidentally adopted a Havanese?

Hello everyone. I've been reading your wonderful forum for a few days now and would like your opinion on my new little family member. On my birthday we adopted a cute little guy through a Southern California rescue. He was listed as a bichon/poodle mix. Even though he was adorable, he was one of the last dogs left as they were packing up. We had come to see an older, female bichon but she was gone. Little Scrappy was just sitting there in his crate, looking around with his button eyes and trying to get his foster mom's attention. His bio was a bit off putting so maybe that's why he was still there. Apparently, he was "into everything" and a jumper.

My daughter and I took him for a walk and we were smitten. There was no way we were leaving without him. Once at home, he was very shy and timid at first but quickly bonded with my daughter and followed her everywhere, like her shadow. Besides being pretty subdued at first, his temperment was, and continues to be, wonderful. When we took him to the groomer a few days later she said she didn't think he was a bichon, and maybe he was a terripoo. We didn't really care, as he doesn't shed and we always thought he was a mix. Then a couple of weeks later we took him to the bike shop to pick up my husband's birthday present. There was a little dog there that was very much like Scrappy. I asked what kind of dog she was and it turns out she was a Havanese.

I researched the breed and was struck by how much our Scrappy has in common with Havanese dogs. He is around 10 pounds, about the right height and is longer than he is tall. His rump is slightly higher than his shoulders. His ears are floppy and covered with hair. When he is clean and brushed his hair is quite soft, although his tail is a bit more coarse. He has a real "puppy" look to him although he is over a year old. Right now his hair is very short as he was pretty matted, and it's very curly. He has a bouncy way of walking and trotting, especially when he is pleased with himself, and he carries his tail up over his back at those times as well.

As far as personality quirks go, he is very affectionate and must have either my daughter or myself nearby at all times. He rarely barks. He loves to play and has a lot of energy. When he fetches his toys he does a little jump and then leaps into the air and pounces on them. Mainly, he just kind of wants to do whatever you're doing. If you're sitting quietly, he'll sit quietly. If you nap, he naps. If you want to run around, he'll tear around like a maniac.

It doesn't really matter all that much to me what breed or mix of breeds he is but I do think it would be kind of cool to know. More importantly, it might give me some insight into how best to go about training him. It seems really unlikely that if he was a Havanese or a mix he wouldn't have been snapped up given that they are so rare and so much in demand.
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He certainly is a cute little guy! Do you have any more pictures you could post?

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He is adorable. I'm glad you were finally able to get through. Welcome to the group. Based upon your avatar photo he doesn't really look typically havanese. If anything I would say perhaps like the short haired havs (shavanese). Whatever he turns out to be though, he's obviously the perfect companion for your family and is exactly where he was meant to be.

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Thanks Julie and pjewel. His hair has been clipped really short because he was very matted. I have no idea how long it will grow. His groomer seems to think it will grow quite long. Here are some more pictures. They're not the best as they're from my phone. I guess I need to find the cable for the camera so I can upload some better ones.

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Oh boy, he is cute!!! Seriously precious! I want to just reach out an snuggle him!

What a wonderful story. I'm so glad you found him and he found you.

I wonder if he's a Havanese mix like a Havapoo - or something like that. It would explain his differences. I'm curious to hear what the more knowledgeable Hav owners have to say.

A vet can run a DNA test to give you more accurate info, if you're really curious, but don't waste your money on those at-home DNA tests. They are notoriously inaccurate.

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What an adorable little guy! While there are OCASSIONALLY Havs with coats that curly, it's not a typical Hav coat. No wonder he matted if he wasn't being groomed regularly!!!

He certainly could be a Hav mix. But he could also be a Bichon/Terrier mix. Both Havs and some terrier breeds have that color pattern. (obviously, Bichons don't, and I don't THINK poodles do either)

While there are waiting lists for good quality Havs from good breeders, unfortunately, there is also a steady flow of Havs from puppy mills, so they are not as uncommon as you might think. And puppy millers are well-known for cross breeding, either on purpose for "designer dogs", or just by accident because they aren't careful. (or don't care) We have several forum members who purchased puppy mill Havs, not knowing any better. they paid a lot of money for dogs who CLEARLY are not pure bred Havs. OTOH, they love them just as much anyway! One of these people coined the term "Half-anese" for her little guy!

You will probably never know exactly what he is... the DNA testing is not great at sorting out Havs from other small breeds, as there is a lot of overlap of genetic material in these breeds. I wouldn't bother with it! I think if you wanted to CALL him a Havanese cross, no one would question you at all. The shelters just guess... why shouldn't you?

One way or another, you are welcome here. As a small, non-shedding dog, he will be similar to our purebred guys in at least some ways... you may find, over time, that he is more like the other Havs than you think, or conversely, that maybe that's not what he is. Who knows? The most important thing is that he's adorable, sweet, and fitting into your family quickly and well!

We have a number of people here who have part bred Havs or not-Havs, and they are welcome members of our community too! You are to be commended for giving htis little guy a for-ever home, no matter WHAT his breeding is!


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Yay! Scrappy is posting

I agree with above, he is adorable! And yes, if mill dogs are rescued and put up for adoption, you can get a purebred, or close to (?) as they do use and abuse..many breeds and mixes

I'm kinda like you in the sense I like to have answers and know, you may never know for sure, but if he has some hav traits, well..that's nothing but a great thing, because they are smart, loving, loyal and funny dogs.

One test is you can put a roll of toilet paper in the middle of the room and see if he is compelled to shred it into a million pieces, they *do* have a shredding gene (I wouldn't leave any important papers or documents within reach of a havanese )


http://www.havaneseforum.com/showthr...ight=shredding

just an example of many..

And while a curly coat isn't common, I have seen a few with them..

to the forum and enjoy the ride! looks like you have a gem of a new addition to your family

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He really is as cute as a button. Seeing the second set of photos, I'm not sure. He does have some of the look in his face. I can't wait to see him as his coat starts to fill in. I think Karen said it all. Her eloquent welcome is echoed here.

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Glad to have you here whatever your new guy is! He's a cutie and there are some Havs with curly hair although not as many. It sounds like he is fitting in well with the family, too. Scrappy seems to have a lot of the Hav traits since he seems pretty mellow and not a big barker - that is the big difference I see with Abby and our other small dogs we've had in the past. I think Scrappy and your family are all very blessed to have found each other! You're an angel for giving him such a good and caring home!

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Thanks for posting more pictures....he sure is cute,whatever he may be. I have a boy with these awesome eyebrows too!

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