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our breeders need to do more. Companion Animal Psychology: Extra Early Socialization for Puppies Makes a Big Difference

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It would be interesting to hear what they consider "normal" socialization. Reading between the lines, it sounds like they are talking about kennel-raised dogs. I hope every one on this GROUP knows that they should steer clear of kennel raise puppies. Puppies should be raised in a home environment, exposed to EVERYTHING. And every good breeder that I know personally imports as many "new faces" as possible to play with and interact with the puppies. ...Not just the breeder and family, but outside guest too, and certainly NOT just "when the puppy wants to interact". A puppy who doesn't want to interact with people needs even more exposure!

In fact, more and more of the better Havanese breeders I know are incorporating "Puppy Culture" practices into their litter raising... including ENS and more. And this is not only people who swallow the kool-aid and become total PC worshippers. There is a LOT of good in the PC program, whether you buy into the whole thing or not.

Even the good Havanese breeders I know who have not bought into ENS and a more rigorous, disciplined, socialization program, do way more than it sounds like what they are calling "normal" socialization in this article.

I guess it's nice to know when "science" decides to "prove" something that good breeders know, and have been doing,for years.

It IS a great idea to remind people looking for puppies how important this aspect is when choosing a breeder, however. Yet another reason why puppy mill puppies start with so many strikes against them.


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Karen these are not typical kennel raised dogs. They would never endorse what you're refering to. They recommend this program for breeders and shelters . Despite the fact that the breeders you know do a good job of socializing, you have been on this forum almost as long as I have , and we have witnessed the hundreds of Havs that have come through here with obvious poorly socialized starts from breeders. Not sure why you are criticizing this sort of thing.?

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I didn't see anything new there.
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I think the article may have had socialization started younger than previously thought. The breeder I visited in the Atlanta area had two week old pups in the upper floor of the house near the master away from noise. I believe that isolation might be for the dam as well. I couldn't see that breeder letting a cell phone ring in one of her tiny puppy's ears. Maybe that is when they begin to hear? I think rubbing near newborns with different textures sounded good. (Just not used underwear or dirty socks.)

What I took from the article was to expose the youngest dogs to more varied things instead of focusing exclusively on being protective of them.

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Karen these are not typical kennel raised dogs. They would never endorse what you're refering to. They recommend this program for breeders and shelters . Despite the fact that the breeders you know do a good job of socializing, you have been on this forum almost as long as I have , and we have witnessed the hundreds of Havs that have come through here with obvious poorly socialized starts from breeders. Not sure why you are criticizing this sort of thing.?
Not criticizing... Just, as Tom said, I don't see anything new here.

And, of course people buy puppies from all sorts of poor choices. I just have a knee-jerk reaction to your statement "Our breeders need to do more." Because _MY_ breeders do far more than what is mentioned in the article, as do MANY of the breeders I know.

It's not fair to paint "breeders" all with the same brush. I know SO many excellent breeders who put their hearts and souls into raising their puppies.
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After 21 years of starting over 300 Havanese puppies, I don't think we need to do more. I don't think we Could do more, but Pam is always trying, as well as helping other breeders, and Havanese owners that contact her privately.
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After 21 years of starting over 300 Havanese puppies, I don't think we need to do more. I don't think we Could do more, but Pam is always trying, as well as helping other breeders, and Havanese owners that contact her privately.
Right Tom , all I'm saying is that all breeders can try to do more and that some need to do a lot more . This article just points out how important the early weeks are, Breeders have the pups for two thirds to five sixths of the critical socialization period. More on this http://www.dogstardaily.com/blogs/dr...puppies-people

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