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need new tips for SA

well, SA has reared it's ugly head again in our home. when we leave, django is peeing like crazy, i set up the video camera and he's howling and barking like crazy. he drinks a ton of water cuz he's barking so much. i've substituted ice cubes for water when we leave but i need some new tips. i have noticed that he's very clingy since we came back from a weekend away. any tips. what we are doing isn't working. i have had his urine tested, all is well. i know the meds play a part but we have had a dry house for months. once i viewed the video it's obvous its SA agian. help!
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with older dogs, it is tougher to condition for S.A.. You can try going back to basics , ie, puppy preventive measures http://www.dogstardaily.com/training/separation-anxiety but quite often , management by reducing the time duration is going to give better results. If you haven't crate trained before , I wouldn't recommend using the crate at this stage.

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oh, the crate would put him over the edge for sure! we are changing our words when we leave, we've done everything by the book and have had huge success but something has triggered it again. it makes me so sad to know he's anxious when we leave. the vet things again that he's anxious cuz he has to pee and he knows he's not suppose to pee in the house when we are gone. i've got pee pee pads everywhere, i never scold him when we return home. maybe it just needs to work its way thru agian.
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oh, the crate would put him over the edge for sure! we are changing our words when we leave, we've done everything by the book and have had huge success but something has triggered it again. it makes me so sad to know he's anxious when we leave. the vet things again that he's anxious cuz he has to pee and he knows he's not suppose to pee in the house when we are gone. i've got pee pee pads everywhere, i never scold him when we return home. maybe it just needs to work its way thru agian.
Yeah I hear you. It is difficult to enjoy yourself when you go out. But go back to basics a bit. Gradually increase the time durations. Start at one minute , two mins. five mins. ten mins. twenty mins. half hour , hour ,two hour. Do lots of short stuff before attempting longer periods. Of course the best alternative ,is to have someone come in. But we all know this is not always possible. Here might be a few more tips http://www.wagntrain.com/SeparationAnx.htm

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I agree with starting off with small jaunts and working up to being gone for a little bit longer.

The weekend trip was just probably miserable for him, missing you and he is afraid that you won't be back and gets panicked. I know the potty regression seems to go hand in hand with the SA, and it is even harder with an older dog.

Reassurance. Go back to basics, leave your pillow or shirt/towel on the floor so he can have the scent reassurance. He'll eventually fall back into the groove.

I'm sorry I know SA is a tough thing and its hard seeing them so crushed missing you

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My newest girl has a bit of SA and I have to admit that I don't trust either of my Hav's to spend hours alone. So I go real slow...I go to the market and come home...visit a neighbor...come home. My shih Tzu and Lhasa were so much more independent. I still have the Lhasa and it' going to be Thanksgiving. No way I can go to brother in-law in Richmond, VA and leave Yogi and Misty. Yet I use to leave Poohkey and B00 B00 all day with the dog door open. So Yogi and Misty will do fine in a crate at the brother in-laws house. Leaving Boo Boo alone just does not seem right, yet I know he will be fine. Seems these days its me!!!!!!! The Hav" are just not that independent. I keep going baclk to the basic's with them. LOL....it could be me!!!!!!!

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oh i can relate. i wish i could be like my friends and just put the dogs in a kennel when we travel and not worry about them. i really have to make an effort to not think about him when i am gone for a couple of hours otherwise, i would never leave the house. back to the basics and i know this too will pass again. i have noticed when i leave and return for short periods of time it's more stressful for him. he's confined to the kitchen so if he pees, it's on the pad and easy to clean up. i bought new treats for his kong, salmon and lamb lung, he seems to like it and the lung can be cut up into bigger pieces making it harder to get out of the kong.

we leave again middle of november to go home for early thanksgiving. my dog sitter will be out of town thanksgiving weekend so we head home a week earlier, can't put the pup in a kennel! she's great and stays with him at our house so the stress is a big less. it's amazing what we do for our little furry guys.
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oh i can relate. i wish i could be like my friends and just put the dogs in a kennel when we travel and not worry about them. i really have to make an effort to not think about him when i am gone for a couple of hours otherwise, i would never leave the house. back to the basics and i know this too will pass again. i have noticed when i leave and return for short periods of time it's more stressful for him. he's confined to the kitchen so if he pees, it's on the pad and easy to clean up. i bought new treats for his kong, salmon and lamb lung, he seems to like it and the lung can be cut up into bigger pieces making it harder to get out of the kong.

we leave again middle of november to go home for early thanksgiving. my dog sitter will be out of town thanksgiving weekend so we head home a week earlier, can't put the pup in a kennel! she's great and stays with him at our house so the stress is a big less. it's amazing what we do for our little furry guys.
One thing you might consider is an in-home caregiver that he knows and trusts but in THEIR home. I think Kodi might be very lonely if we left him alone in our home, even with someone taking care of him. But he goes to stay with a very good friend who has other dogs he likes. He ADORES her, and seems to really enjoy his time there. It's a bit of a pain because she lives an hour away... so it's an expedition to get him over there and then retrieve him on the other end, but I have great peace of mind while he's there.

I know you'd have to have someone pretty understanding to deal with Django and his health/peeing issues in their home, but it might be worth trying to find someone? You could see how it worked out just for a few hours at first, and if he was comfortable, work up to over night stays.


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For long trips, I'm going to try the overnight version of the doggie daycare he attends. There, they let the dogs play with each other and they have a human supervisor all day (which I'm told my hav spends a good part of his time in their lap). I know my Hav could not handle a kennel and I don't think having a friend or pet sitter 'check in on him and walk him' will possible be enough. I'm doing a trial overnight in a few days, but I think it'll work well for him - he's such a social butterfly.
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we use to have a great doggy nanny who had a havanese. we'd take him to her home and she was great with him. with his health issues, it got to be too much for her...and i don't blame her. it's different when it's your dog,you deal with all the issues, its hard asking someone to do the same. she suggested putting diapers on him to avoid the peeing in her house. ugh, couldn't do it.

anyways, the dog sitter we have LOVES django and visa versa. he gets a little down when she leaves. he's at home, familiar surroundings, same routeen, it works the best for him. plus since we hired her, he hasn't ended up in the ICU when we travel so, we are keeping her as long as we can.
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