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Outdoor potty for a new puppy?

Hi again. I expect my puppy soon and have a question about potty outdoors for a new puppy.

I have a fenced-in back yard. I would like to take the puppy out for potty starting the day I get her. I am in the process of chosing a vet and when I asked the receptionist at one office about this she said I should absolutely not take the puppy outside until she has had all her shots.

How can it be both ways? How can I train her to go outdoors if I can't take her outdoors for a few months?

According to the breeder, I will get her after 8 weeks and she will have 2 shots. There are no other dogs in my yard but there are some stray cats that live under my neighbor's shed (who wander in my yard sometimes) and I know that at night we sometimes have raccoons and opossums that are looking for food. Of course I would only take the puppy out to potty on a leash and at night I would bring her right back in.

What is the "right" thing to do in this circumstance? I want to train her to potty outside from day one but of course I would never want to jeopardize her health in the process.

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... I am in the process of chosing a vet and when I asked the receptionist at one office about this she said I should absolutely not take the puppy outside until she has had all her shots....

Oh Boy! Take that advice as a warning from a receptionist. A vet would probably say "No interaction with other animals" (as in no walks, no free leash time in the yard, etc.) Most folks agree that with 2 shots the puppy is probably 80% good against the Parvo Virus (which is really what your trying to protect against). A lot of Vets don't accept the breeders shots and insist on giving the whole course all over again - others do. Sounds like this vet is a lot more cautious than is necessary.

Now, if your puppy comes completely un-vaccinated then I'd be really really cautious about what he / she came in contact with until all of the shots had been given.

Yeah, lots of pee pads and crate time.

Take this for what it's worth -- I'm still pretty new to dog ownership, But I try to be informed. Others will have more informed information and I'm sure will provide it.

Talk to a vet, or a vet nurse, not just the receptionist.

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Thanks for your reply.

Of course I will talk to the vet directly, but in calling to make an appointment I started to ask general questions which got me thinking about whether it was safe for a new puppy to be outside.

Interesting about the first 2 Parvo shots protecting 80%. I didn't know that.

Also didn't know if the urine/feces from the stray cats, raccoons and possum would present a problem or if it was only the other dogs that I was to worry about.
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I agree that it is a hard decision, but making sure that the pup has their set of shots is a good idea. I allowed mine in the back yard from the first day they came, but I dont have cats in the yard. You can always find a spot of lawn, Wash it down good, put up and xpen on the lawn, and leave it there. Put the pup in the xpen only to potty till all the shots are complete. Parvo is a very concerning illness, expecially for puppies!!!!

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I talked to a number of breeders, trainers and veterinary friends about this issue. I was told by ALL of them that current thinking is that many more dogs lose their lives (though euthanasia) from incomplete potty training and lack of socialization than do of any of the dangerous puppy diseases.

I was told to avoid places with large numbers of dogs, or dogs where I didn't know the vaccination history, but otherwise to get my pup out as much as possible during his first few weeks at home. They all said our back yard was DEFINITELY OK, and even puppy classes as long as the training center required appropriate vaccinations. I was told that it was even fine to allow him to socialize with adult dogs that I knew were friendly and up to date on shots.

I was told that the places to avoid like the plague were dog parks, Petco, Petsmart and other chain-type pet stores that allow dogs. They strongly recommended NOT walking on the street/sidewalk where he was likely to come in contact with the pee and poop of other dogs.


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We've always taken ours out in the fenced in yard right from the beginning - no problem!

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What a crock! Your own backyard is fine. Try not to let the puppy eat stuff. If you are worried, use a leash in order to drag it away from nasty stuff.

I agree that you should avoid dog parks, pet stores, etc. until fully vaccinated. I avoid them anyway. The few times I took my beasties to Petsmart, they caught fleas.

Don't worry yourself over this.

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i'm just catching up on posts on the Forums. I noticed in your other post you said you would be gone 13 hours some days. Are you expected the pup to only potty outside?

The yard is not a concern. If you like, you can get an Ortho hose-end sprayer and spray as much as you want to of the lawn with the sprayer set at 4 oz. per gallon with pure bleach in the sprayer. I spray our dog yards and the dog porch like this at least once a month and more in hot weather. I'm a bit OCD about cleanliness for the animals and it has not hurt the grass yet.
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I talked to a number of breeders, trainers and veterinary friends about this issue. I was told by ALL of them that current thinking is that many more dogs lose their lives (though euthanasia) from incomplete potty training and lack of socialization than do of any of the dangerous puppy diseases.

I was told to avoid places with large numbers of dogs, or dogs where I didn't know the vaccination history, but otherwise to get my pup out as much as possible during his first few weeks at home. They all said our back yard was DEFINITELY OK, and even puppy classes as long as the training center required appropriate vaccinations. I was told that it was even fine to allow him to socialize with adult dogs that I knew were friendly and up to date on shots.

I was told that the places to avoid like the plague were dog parks, Petco, Petsmart and other chain-type pet stores that allow dogs. They strongly recommended NOT walking on the street/sidewalk where he was likely to come in contact with the pee and poop of other dogs.
DITTO! We were given the same advise.
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Personally, I didn't let Roscoe's or Stella's little paws hit the ground outside until they'd had 3 shots. I'd rather be safe than sorry.

Train your puppy with the "go potty" command using pee pads indoors, it should be a fairly easy transition to outside once all the necessary shots have been done. Roscoe got it right away, I put him on the grass the first time, told him "go potty", he looked at me for a couple seconds like I was totally crazy, but I encouraged him, and he went. Lots of praise, and after a few walks outside he was a total pro!

Edited to add that, like Karen, I allowed them to interact with other dogs I knew were 100% up to date on vaccinations. They also played with the kitty at the vet's office. I live in a condo, so my own backyard doesn't exist - I would be cautious about your backyard if you know coons and the neighbor's cats are often in your yard. You may want to find out from your neighbor if the cats are totally vaccinated. If not, I'd say it's not worth it. Or let puppy in the back yard on a short lead, so you can see that she's not getting into anything. The only worry is that she can track in fecal debris on her paws, lick it off, and get sick. My friend's puppy recently died of distemper, even though she was up to date on vaccinations for her age, she wasn't fully vaccinated, and the disease was still able to proliferate.

IMO, it's always better to err on the side of caution.

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