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So we are working thru some behavior issues with Jerry, an adorable 5 year old Hav that we recently adopted. We've adopted several older dogs thru the years so we have experience with the adjustment period but this is our first little dog and the first one to lift his leg and mark indoors.

The weird part is he only marks things belonging to my DH - his chair, rugs in his shop, once he even marked DH leg. But here is the worst Last week I had to take my disabled son to an appointment and left Jerry with DH. During the night DH got out of bed to go to the bathroom and when he came back Jerry had peed on HIS side of the bed and was sitting on the pillows on MY side.

I am baffled how to even begin to address this issue. have any of you encountered similar behavior?
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So we are working thru some behavior issues with Jerry, an adorable 5 year old Hav that we recently adopted. We've adopted several older dogs thru the years so we have experience with the adjustment period but this is our first little dog and the first one to lift his leg and mark indoors.

The weird part is he only marks things belonging to my DH - his chair, rugs in his shop, once he even marked DH leg. But here is the worst Last week I had to take my disabled son to an appointment and left Jerry with DH. During the night DH got out of bed to go to the bathroom and when he came back Jerry had peed on HIS side of the bed and was sitting on the pillows on MY side.

I am baffled how to even begin to address this issue. have any of you encountered similar behavior?
Time to get rid of DH!

Sorry for the sick sense of humor but when you address Havanese lovers, its the first thing that came to my mind. LOL

On a serious note, You need professional advice, but the first thing I would do until this is under control is keep a doggy diaper on him at all times indoors. Remove any scent of pee with Nature's Miracle or similar treatment immediately. He is not likely to mark indoors once he realizes the only thing being marked is himself.
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Time to get rid of DH!


yes that briefly crossed my mind too lol

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We are currently using belly bands when I am not home but it's not an ideal solution. We have doggy doors and DH never notices when Jerry goes out to do his business, so the pad gets pretty soggy unless I phone and remind.

I've read that neutering will eliminate a lot of marking behavior so I made an appointment for Jerry next month to get snipped. Do you think that will help?
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I am not a professional animal/dog behaviorist so I don't know if neutering a 5 year old male dog will alter his marking habits. I do have one question. You said you keep belly bands on Jerry, but he has a doggy door to go potty. How does that work?

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I had a few thoughts. I would make sure he doesn't have a urinary infection. While at the vet, you could inquire about the marking issue. Marking is usually a territorial insecure protective instinct. Does DH interact a lot with Jerry? Perhaps they need more bonding. Who does the feeding, walking, and playing with Jerry? Try reversing those roles. The two of you could spend time together playing with Jerry. If that is what you do normally, then the one who spends less time, could spend a bit more time with him. Control where he sits and sleeps. His taking over the bed should be a no-no from now on because he thinks that's his space. Find him a nice old feather pillow and sheet and put it on the floor next to the bed. Do not allow him on the bed for any reason. You need tol establish yourselves (as a couple) as the ones in control. He needs to learn he is not in charge of the household. He should be told when and if he can get on the furniture. Dogs know how to work in packs. He can not be the pack leader.

Do it gently though. Havanese are sensitive dogs but extremely intelligent. They also love to please. DH should work with him consistently in obedience and praise him when he performs even the simplest of commands, such as coming when called, or sitting when asked. Give treats only when something good is accomplished. Treats should never be free.

I'm only suggesting these things as a short term trial until you can find the proper person to help you through this.

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You are right; I have thought a lot today and this dog is more than I can handle alone. We need professional help and I have scheduled a visit to the vet next week to discuss. There are other behavior issues. I believe Jerry also has some serious separation anxiety which may tie in to the marking. He is never willingly with DH or my son and is always in my lap or following close behind me. He never lets me out of his sight.

He was supposedly crate trained and we did put him in his crate the first 4 nights. He would howl, whine, pant and try to dig his way out with his nails to the point a nail broke off. This went on until I let him out in the morning then he would pant and quiver in my arms till he eventually relaxed and went to sleep in my arms. I continued with the crate but it was that way all night every night for 3 nights in a row till I gave up and put him in bed with us. At that point I thought he just needed lots of hugs and cuddles and reassurance that he was loved and safe so I seriously coddled him which probably just made the issues worse.

He never plays. NEVER. Not tug, not fetch, not ever. I spend time each day trying to get him to play but I am wasting my time on the floor, he does not seem to understand how to play. All he wants to do is sit in my lap.

I am starting to think he was abused at some point. I am in tears as I write this.
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Havanese are prone to being clingy and suffer from separation anxiety if not taught early on that being left alone is not a death sentence. There are ways to ease them into a new reality, but it will take perseverance and consistency. You mentioned your son is disabled, which could make concentrating on a dog with needs such as Jerry's a bigger burden than you may be willing to take on. I think a professional trainer/behaviorist could analyze the situation and point you in the direction you need to go.

I went through the same thing with our first Havanese where she cried and yowled for so long that we wound up putting her in bed with us. I didn't make the same mistake this time with Tux. I put him in a puppy pen right next to the bed where he knew he was safe and ignored his cries. Interestingly his favorite sleeping place now, is under a bench next to our bed on a feather pillow. He can see us, and is fine with that. It also took extra effort letting him learn (gradually) that when we left the house (with him in a bathroom with a gate, his pillow, sheet and hidden treats to find while we are gone), he could live through it. You start out with short periods away (a minute, then 5 minutes, etc. ) and build up to a few hours. Your situation is vastly different due to Jerry's age and lack of proper training, which is why you need advice. I had an Akita who never seemed to mind if I left her alone. She marked the grass outside, but never ever peed indoors.

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I am sorry you are having such a hard time with Jerry. I hope you can find some answers to help you with him.



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I'm so sorry for you, your family, and for Jerry! Poor little guy! It sounds like he came from a puppy mill situation to me. I hope you find good help, fast.

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You have my sympathy. Poor little thing. Good luck finding the help that you need.

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