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Perry update

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So I haven't done a Perry update in a while.

1) ACL - as you've seen in other posts, Perry has re-torn his ACL. I was taking him to an orthopedic vet in the US when we were home for Christmas anyway because of the injury during the summer where we saw 2 vets here in Kampala, both of which assured me that it wasn't the ACL, but which took 3 months of crate rest before he even started to use it... When we were in the US, I noticed that he was once again not using the leg - he was fine when he was walking, but when running around or going down stairs he wasn't using it at all. So, the vet visit was very timely. This time, with an orthopedic vet, she said that it was a tear and that the summer injury was as well (she could see some of the scar tissue on the xray). So, 2 more months of crate rest. Incidentally, she also mentioned that the right leg was also a little unsteady, so hopefully the crate rest will fix both - meaning that with rest they usually form enough scar tissue to stabilize them. She said that with the small ones (under 30 pounds) she didn't recommend surgery for a tear, but that if it happens again (3 strikes) then she'd want to do surgery on it. I'm hoping that we can avoid the surgery because it will be a logistic nightmare from here, especially since with the other leg also a bit unsteady, I can easily forsee the 2nd one going while the first is healing.

2) car sick - He's still getting car sick, though I'm getting better at not feeding him beforehand (like at all that day) if we need to travel. The last car sick meds the vet gave us did absolutely nothing, so we got different ones this time (basically over the counter dramamine and one other option). he was better this last trip, but still very drooly, so I don't think it's solved it. I'm starting to wonder if it's more anxiety (I've thought it was a mix of motion sick and anxiety) than it is motion sick and if we should try some anti-anxiety meds for traveling next.

3) Perry and my husband. So, as many of you know this has been an on-going issue as Perry has been afraid of my husband. My husband has also taken that very personally which has always been reflected in his reaction/ mood afterwards. Even though he's never been at all demonstrative about that (he internalizes), he mostly refused to believe me when I told him that Perry could sense how he was feeling and that he didn't understand the difference between 'I feel bad and this upsets me' and 'I'm a big scary person who hates the dog'. However, for other reasons, my husband on his own decided to stop letting Perry's reaction bother him... and surprise, surprise, Perry has basically stopped growling at him. He's still a little afraid, mostly if my husband looks at him, but he's been making his own little overtures toward my husband... going on the couch between the two of us on his own and sniffing my husband (Perry has a very strange habit of wanting to smell people's breath - it's partially how I tell if he trusts someone - is he trying to smell their breath). Yesterday he went as far as letting my husband pet him multiple times (all with my husband not looking at him), and even grumbled a few times when he stopped, until he started petting again.

I do expect that they'll be more setbacks in the future, but it's a few steps in the right direction.
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That sounds like wonderful progress with your husband!!!
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Very happy about #3.

I have information to offer on #2. I have been going to conformation training with Joy, I bought a show prospect from a member of my local Havanese club composed of showing breeders, mostly.

When I arrived at the first one I opened my dog's travel bad and found her up to all four white knees with urine and her face drenched with stomach bile. There was vomit in the crate. The other dog owners were nice enough not to comment, and three out of four in this class also have havs.

Vet said dramamine non drowsy (really just ginger) so I got that for 30 minutes prior to travel.

The second one I stopped and looked along the way, and this time Joy was noisy. Three times I pulled over and cleaned up vomit and her face, even though she had not had breakfast on this trip. When we got to class she was damp and unhappy. Before class the trainer asked me if I thought this was worth it, and I said no. Then, the girl did really well in class and the trainer asked me to bring her back.

Those classes are really for me to learn owner handler skills, so I can just bring one of my pets. Joy is planned to be shown by a professional.

The next day we all four traveled to Tennessee to see my human kids. No breakfast but Joy made herself a fecal candy bar and I was packing the car and only caught a glimpse before it was consumed. Seven miles from house malodorous odor emanates from back seat and I pull over to clean a gag worthy mess out of Joy's high dollar travel bag. (I am also traveling with plant based detergent mixed with water, doggie shampoo mixed with water, a roll of paper towels and ugly but clean bath towels.)

(By the way, Joy has been taken on short trips before this. She cries after a block and throws up after three miles generally.)

We get to Tennessee and daughter tells me that on Myth Busters it says [in humans] motion sickness is inherited and is a brain abnormality. Arghhh! I think breeding puppies from Joy that vomit on their way home with their permanent families would be a terrible idea.

Anyway, I stay in my friend's mountain cabin with Kosmo and the two girls stay with my daughter and two collies on the farm.

Then, on the way back to Tennessee five days later Joy vomits not once. No crying either. Yes, there is some drool around her mouth when I uncrate her but, Ah ha, hope for Joy.

I have talked to her breeder of course, she says Joy will outgrow carsickness.

I am still on the fence whether Joy is show dog or high dollar pet who keeps us all at home more. I simply believe making a dog do something that makes her sick is wrong, where you have an option. Tomorrow is another owner handler class and I am taking Joy the 1.2 hour trip there. I will keep you updated.



I think carsickness is a real problem.
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It is so wonderful to hear that the relationship is improving. Thanks for the update.
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So happy you are seeing improvement in the relationship between hubby and Perry. We have similar issue with Jerry and decided to try using food. Hubby keeps little treats in his pocket and the only time Jerry gets any treats is when he approaches hubby. Jerry will now get just close enough to snatch the treat. It helps that I don't give any treats at all and I think Jerry is starting to catch on. Best wishes for you and your sweet little Perry.
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Regarding #3, troubles with hubby. See if you can find info either on the web or a book that accurately describes how to read body language of a dog. If a dog is fearful of a human, looking the dog in the eyes is a threatening gesture. Letting a dog approach you while not looking at them is more comforting to an apprehensive dog. Until you have encountered a dog with these issues, it is difficult to understand what brings a positive or negative reaction. I think this will help you both. Good luck.

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So happy you are seeing improvement in the relationship between hubby and Perry. We have similar issue with Jerry and decided to try using food. Hubby keeps little treats in his pocket and the only time Jerry gets any treats is when he approaches hubby. Jerry will now get just close enough to snatch the treat. It helps that I don't give any treats at all and I think Jerry is starting to catch on. Best wishes for you and your sweet little Perry.
Yes, the behaviourist we consulted recommended that last year - but my husband grew up in a non-dog family in a non-housedog culture and did not agree at all with the idea of bribing the dog to like him. And besides, when we did try it it didn't really work - Perry was perfectly happy to get the treat from him, but that was it

So, we've decided to work at my husband's pace instead of Perry's and it's working. A more relaxed attitude, less stressing over it (and my husband has stopped feeling like an ogre because the dog is afraid of him) and they're both more relaxed which helps so much.
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Very happy about #3.

I have information to offer on #2. I have been going to conformation training with Joy, I bought a show prospect from a member of my local Havanese club composed of showing breeders, mostly.

When I arrived at the first one I opened my dog's travel bad and found her up to all four white knees with urine and her face drenched with stomach bile. There was vomit in the crate. The other dog owners were nice enough not to comment, and three out of four in this class also have havs.

Vet said dramamine non drowsy (really just ginger) so I got that for 30 minutes prior to travel.

The second one I stopped and looked along the way, and this time Joy was noisy. Three times I pulled over and cleaned up vomit and her face, even though she had not had breakfast on this trip. When we got to class she was damp and unhappy. Before class the trainer asked me if I thought this was worth it, and I said no. Then, the girl did really well in class and the trainer asked me to bring her back.

Those classes are really for me to learn owner handler skills, so I can just bring one of my pets. Joy is planned to be shown by a professional.

The next day we all four traveled to Tennessee to see my human kids. No breakfast but Joy made herself a fecal candy bar and I was packing the car and only caught a glimpse before it was consumed. Seven miles from house malodorous odor emanates from back seat and I pull over to clean a gag worthy mess out of Joy's high dollar travel bag. (I am also traveling with plant based detergent mixed with water, doggie shampoo mixed with water, a roll of paper towels and ugly but clean bath towels.)

(By the way, Joy has been taken on short trips before this. She cries after a block and throws up after three miles generally.)

We get to Tennessee and daughter tells me that on Myth Busters it says [in humans] motion sickness is inherited and is a brain abnormality. Arghhh! I think breeding puppies from Joy that vomit on their way home with their permanent families would be a terrible idea.

Anyway, I stay in my friend's mountain cabin with Kosmo and the two girls stay with my daughter and two collies on the farm.

Then, on the way back to Tennessee five days later Joy vomits not once. No crying either. Yes, there is some drool around her mouth when I uncrate her but, Ah ha, hope for Joy.

I have talked to her breeder of course, she says Joy will outgrow carsickness.

I am still on the fence whether Joy is show dog or high dollar pet who keeps us all at home more. I simply believe making a dog do something that makes her sick is wrong, where you have an option. Tomorrow is another owner handler class and I am taking Joy the 1.2 hour trip there. I will keep you updated.

I think carsickness is a real problem.
I feel your pain. Perry is almost 2 and still no end to the car sick. the best we've had is light drool though the worst hasn't been as bad as you describe (thank goodness!)
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I'm so sorry you have been having so many problems with him! Have you tried Cerenia for the carsickness?
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Thank you for the update. I am always very interested, even if I don't always find the time to write much. Thinking of you!
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