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Puppy Ads, sad for HF

There are now puppy ads on the Havanese Forum. If you question this go to the new Search, (powered by Google) at the top of the HF screen and type in Puppy, Rescue or whatever then read the ads.

Facebook friends brought this to my attention. The way the search is set up someone might think members sponsor these ads and find a puppy mill breeder. Being so busy I have not been on the Forum much lately so it makes this a little easier.... with a sad heart..... after 3 years I can no longer be a part of this Forum as long as these type of ads are being used.

I hope to keep in touch through shows, email, Facebook or other Havanese groups.

All the best to my HF friends.......

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The "Google Custom Search" window does imply that the members of the Forum advocate for those places, just by it's being there on the Home Page. So very sad. I entered "havanese" there and got lots of ads for puppy mill/back yard breeder/broker puppies. So sad.

I am expecially concerned because of the many new members that might use that search option to locate their pups, assuming that those listed are reputable breeders since they found them through the Forum.

So, so sad.

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We knew ads were coming. This however doesn't bother me. I think this stuff is out there already. I think we all know that no one here endorses puppy mills etc. . When searching anything on the internet we are going to see good and bad information. We simply have to educate ourselves and our new members. And that's what we've been doing from day one.

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The ads are unfortunate-but lets relax, wait, and see how this is handled.

I do not think it implies that we endorse these sites that advertise, these are the same exact ads that will pop up if you type in "Havanese" in a google search, as this is a google powered search box-and is clearly branded as such. When I typed "garlic" into the search box above there were no ads for puppy mills.

I included a screen grab of the results from typing "Havanese" into the google search box on a web site I frequently read. The same results came up. I do not think she is promoting puppy mills.

If you use a free email service such as gmail or yahoo, you might as well cancel it on principle because if you send emails with "dog" or "Havanese" in the text of your messages the same ads will pop up in your viewing box. All "free" web services need to make money somehow. The reality is nothing in life is free, and when this website was sold to a company, they have a main goal of making profits so we can all continue to use this site. I think it is far more important to focus on educating others about the importance of finding a good breeder (which this website makes it easy to do, especially because it is rated so high on google!) and promoting that than it is to get up in arms about what pops up when you type "Havanese" into the search box.

Maybe a posting can be added to search results reading that we do not endorse any advertisements that come up, with a link to the thread on the importance of choosing a good breeder.
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I would like to hear from people who post on this site frequently, and have been for a while. I don't think the reaction will be quite so dramatic.
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Of course, this is something I don't like to see on our forum but it's on Google wherever you search Google and who doesn't use that? That would mean we would all have to boycott ever using Google and what good would that do?

The best we can do is what we've always done - educate!

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I'm sorry, but this post reeks of romantic tension. First, people who have moved to another forum or haven't posted in months lurking on this site and noticing the new search feature before any of us do is like a scorned 15 year old girl lurking on facebook to see what her ex is up to and who with....

Then the fact that a new thread was started to announce that you have not posted in months, but will not ever be posting again is pretty pointless. Its like calling an ex to tell him you are breaking up when you havent talked in weeks. By then-hes over it!!!

I can understand why people get so wound up-this is a very loveable site-but lets keep things in perspective a bit.
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This was brought to my attention too. I am torn as to what to do. The fact is, someone has to be here to educate the niave people out there about puppymills, brokers, pet stores etc. It wasn't long ago, that I was that person!! I'm pretty sure Bella came from a puppymill broker.

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I have been a member of this forum since almost it's beginning and I am very saddened by this. Someone who is not educated about buying dogs and puppy mills would easily search that box and think that the links provided were "endorsed" by the members of this website. I understand that you can find the same ads by searching google, etc., but the name of google isn't "Havaneseforum". To me, searching from a site called Havaneseforum might indicate that the ads hold some merit. If I was a new member searching for a puppy, I would log onto this site and use the search box to search for puppies. In doing so, I would be hit with many puppy mill ads and that is what I would click on. I am not okay with it and I think it was a sneaky way to get the ads on here (whether it was intended to be so or not I am not sure). I will wait and see what is done about this, but I will not stick around if it isn't fixed or attempted to be fixed somehow. I mentioned before that petfinder uses goodle ads and they don't ever have puppymill ads, so there must be a way to make it happen if the owners of this site truly care about dogs at all. I hope that is the case and something will be done.

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I am so glad that there are many educated people on this forum that realize that these adds are everywhere. People on this forum often ask about a breeder. I have kept my own comments about the forum split postive and I feel since the split there is less mean spiritedness toward members who may have bought their dog from a pet store, back yard breeder, or unpopular politically breeder. This kind of attitude is a waste of time. We all love out dogs where ever they came from. The best advocate for the closing of puppy mills is someone who has been there. If we all jumped on this kind of band wagon we might as well boycott the AKC don't see many doing that.

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