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Came across this article today.....

https://apple.news/AXCf6MokCR42zVqrsnE_30g



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Several thoughts on this.

First, HSUS is a terrible, corrupt organization that cares little about animals as pets, spends almost NOTHING on animal shelters, destroys many perfectly healthy animals that they are involved in seizing, and whose real objective is to eventually legislate away all rights to own animals in any capacity.

Second, there are HORRIFIC conditions in FULLY LICENSED puppy mills. Commercial, large-scale breeding of dogs is wrong. We have laws in most (if not all) states requiring licensure and inspection of these commercial dog breeding facilities. The facilities remain filthy, disease-ridden and breeding substandard specimens who live their entire breeding lives in cages. They ARE "regulated", and these conditions are considered acceptable by the government. How are more laws going to improve that?

The Great Dane case in NH was NOT a puppy mill. It was a crazy dog lady with mental illness problems. Commercial dog breeders don't keep the dogs in their home, no matter how huge it is. And no matter how awful this looks, real, commercial puppy mills are far worse. Because the people aren't crazy, they are better at hiding it.

I have a friend who lives a few towns away from me and breeds a litter every couple of years. As well as her two breeding-age bitches, she has two retired older females and a neutered male. SHE has to have a kennel license and be inspected annually by the animal control officer in her town. Why do we need more laws?

More legislation for dog breeding is not the answer. Enforcing the laws already in place is part of the answer. You can't tell me that the Great Dane situation didn't already violate numerous state and local laws. People being SMART and not buying pet store dogs and internet sale dogs are the answer to the puppy mill problem.

And don't let this article give you the idea that "rescues" are all sunshine and roses either. There are some WONDERFUL local animal shelters and breed rescues that do great work. There are also many, MANY "shelters" that are thinly veiled "dog selling" operations that pick up dogs cheap in the south, in Puerto Rico or overseas, bring diseases into our areas with these dogs, and "sell" them for outrageous "adoption fees" in parts of the US that have no stray problem, like here in the North East.

Sorry, but articles like this one get me hot under the collar because they totally misrepresent what the REAL issues are. I know that was not your intent, and people get taken in by HSUS all the time.

Read more about HSUS here: https://www.humanewatch.org/10-thing...ow-about-hsus/


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I will add, however, that state and local bans on sale of dogs in pet stores, coupled with education about why dogs bought in those circumstances is not a good idea, has changed behavior. I remember decades ago every shopping mall pet store had dogs on sale, living in horrible situations. My mother actually bought one at a time when stores were closed on sundays and she couldn’t stand the idea of the puppy spending the rest of the weekend alone after her litter mates were sold Saturday night. (She grew up to be a sweet dog, a little neurotic in that she hid food all over our house in case she needed it, but she was a dachshund so who knows if that trait was just part of breed)

Of course, the bad actors have moved to the lawless internet malls and people need to get more warnings about that route.

Agree, Karen re HSUS for multiple reasons!
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I will add, however, that state and local bans on sale of dogs in pet stores, coupled with education about why dogs bought in those circumstances is not a good idea, has changed behavior. I remember decades ago every shopping mall pet store had dogs on sale, living in horrible situations. My mother actually bought one at a time when stores were closed on sundays and she couldn’t stand the idea of the puppy spending the rest of the weekend alone after her litter mates were sold Saturday night. (She grew up to be a sweet dog, a little neurotic in that she hid food all over our house in case she needed it, but she was a dachshund so who knows if that trait was just part of breed)

Of course, the bad actors have moved to the lawless internet malls and people need to get more warnings about that route.

Agree, Karen re HSUS for multiple reasons!
I agree with your points completely. People ARE becoming better educated, but it's still a slow process. And while less pet stores sell puppies, the internet has become a free-for-all. The number of people who fall for internet adds for cute puppies is appalling.


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Four stars from Charity Navigator in 2013, then three stars, now two stars in 2018.

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Four stars from Charity Navigator in 2013, then three stars, now two stars in 2018.

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And only because it took the charity indicators that long to catch on to the scamming. It has never addressed the agenda behind this goup.


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Karen, the first thing I thought when I read the article was mental illness, not greed behind that great dane situation.

How on earth did they spend over a million on the rescued great danes? Did the vet services charge the humane organization retail prices? Were they feeding those poor beasts Stella and Chewy? No volunteers helped out?

I am glad to see the news story regardless, the point that the dogs could not ask for help is important.

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I have actually experiences a puppy mill situation first hand. When I was young a coworker (restaurant) and friend (bridesmaid at her 5th wedding) took me to her future mother in law's house in Sevierville, Tennessee. Behind her modest mountain house, (and I have no idea why Sheila wanted me to see this) were several little chicken wire pens with small wooden dog houses. I saw no puppies, just individual dogs who were not malnourished, but had the saddest eyes in the world. The ground underneath their little paws was hard packed mud.

I did not report this woman: I was a single mom with minimal job skills and the weight of the world on my shoulders and probably too focused on not being guilty myself of child neglect.

Also, they were chihuahuas.

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Holy cow, how do you afford to feed 75 Danes?

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